Smuggler Loot Statistics
Hello, with this revision you removed the gold coin drop from smugglers. Also, it seems higly unlikely you killed ~700 smugglers without looting a Deer Trophy, maybe you can explain your action a bit. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess Bennie point was that your statistics weren't 100% accurate since you ddin't count gold. Take a look in the Help:Loot Statistics and you will see a manual on how to do it. By following that method you will be able to make a accurate statistics. If you want the easy way check the talk page, there is a website that is safe where you can just paste your server log and it will create the statiscs text for you, all you have to do is copy the text created by the website and paste into the correspondidng monster loot statistics page. Maguu 13:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
You're wrong. My statistics are very accurate, but not detailed. For me it doesn't matter how many empty monsters you can find... Alco counting each gp is useless since statistics are not showing how long it takes to kill X monsters. Somebody can be interested in Necromancers having good loot, but has to cinsider that there's no good place to hunt them without waste below some lvls. Besides who is looking for gp drops? Item drops are more important. Anyway if you don't like my way of making stats i won't share it with you anymore. Sorry for problems i made you guys...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziom23ek (talk • contribs). Remember to sign your comments!
Your statistics are accurate but not detailed? I don't know how that can be. I want all items, including gold coins, in the statistics. This will be quite important in a later stadium. Of course it is possible you hunted all those smugglers without getting deer trophies, because there is a chance not all smugglers drop them, but only the ones in a certain location. Can you tell me where exactly you hunted those smugglers? Don't get discouraged if people criticize your edits, just talk and we can come to a solution :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 15:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hunted at Tiquanda Bandit Caves. Accurate, cause i don't miss even one item, not detailed cause i don't care of gold and worms etc. Besides, how in example you will count meat if log contains only monsters that dropped meat without number of dropped meat? Good luck in creating accutare statistics now... I'm not discouraged, just don't want to mislead people and make any mess in stats--Ziom23ek 15:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
take care with loot statistics
Please, try to read the loot statistics page to you learn how to make accurate statistics, you statistcs are not acceptable for wiki. You can't ignore gold drop, or empty monsters, or just take the risk of forgeting 1 or 2 itens, because that makes a huge difference.
I had to delete you bonebeasts statistics because you just deleted all the empty ones. that don't make sence. Maguu 12:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm creating statistics for my own, without empty monsters, amount gp's and worms. I don't think it's so important, more useful is info how many good items you can drop. There wasn't statistics for 8.5 update, and i think anything is more than nothing, thats why i put my stats there. Got better? Then put it there, if don't have such one bring back my stats, and give note that it's not accurate or something.--Ziom23ek 17:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
The word statistics give the idea of accuracy, to call your loot notes statistics we would need to say the error to more or less. What would unfortunately be way too much. By example in hellspawns according to the few hudreds i hunted had around 1/40 probability of get k-legs, and yours was 1/3, so the error line in ur loot notes would be like 1200%+ to 1200%-. If you like to contribute and help other players you could record your server log and get accurate statistic in Tehmak website.
Also, if your statistics were deleted it wasn't me, because i prefer to give the choice of deleting unharmfull content to the administrators. As you could see in hellspawn statistics talk i just started to add the statistics i got according to server log there.
Anyway, why are we argueeing about this? If you need any assistance on how to make loot statistics you can see read this page: http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Loot_Statistics. If you have any question, let me know and i will be glad to help. Maguu 01:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Statistics are useless if you leave out data. They will be inaccurate as Maguu is trying to explain. If you leave out gold and worms, and especially empty ones, the statistics are not correct. You say that it is more useful to know what good items are dropped by a monster. But your numbers will be incorrect if you leave out data, and will not be a good indication as to how often these good items drop. I strongly encourage you to include ALL information, including gold coins, worms and empty monsters. I have developed a website that will do this for you, all you need to do is copy your server log. The website can be found on the loot statistics help page, as Maguu said before me.
Temahk 08:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Few last changes i've made with this scripts, but bonebeasts is in my way, and as i wrote i put it there, cause there was no other bonebeasts stats. And i see no point of deleting it and leaving it without any info. I made few lvls on bonebeasts and haven't seen any person exping there, so how long you want to wait for any 'good' stats? Btw about what 1/3 you wrote above? I did not change anything in Hellspawns stats, so if you give an example give a good one. Besides as i noticed, after your edit (Maguu) my stats disappeared, so don't write here that's you didn't delete it...--Ziom23ek 08:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
My bad, i did delete your unrealistic bonebeasts statistics, but i had forgot it. I killed around 50 and got over 10 empty bonebeasts, while in you 1k+ statistics you had 0 empty. Also the loot didn't change after 8.5 update, so the statistics there will give an idea of the loot stats. Of course would be good to have accurate loot stats from more monsters. Maguu 11:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Why do you still say 'empty' is so important... I've killed 1.7k BB and looted 800+ bones and 350+ skulls. In statistics BB's with a bone as loot are not empty, but still i don't think such 'loot' interests anyone. As many bonebeasts drop only bone/skull there's about 1k 'empty but not empty' bonebeasts with bone/skull as a drop... I really regret that i deleted all bonebeasts entries, but I still think that my stats are better than nothing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziom23ek (talk • contribs). Remember to sign your comments!
It interests me. You cannot call it statistics if you leave something out. The statistics are there to give an average of what you can expect per X kills, this includes empty ones or worthless drops.
Temahk 14:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
As Temahk said, they're statistics pages. They should give an idea as to how often a drop will occur, and omitting empty ones will produce factual errors. Compare: 700 wasps—you rarely loot a thing from these, but if you omit the empty ones in the statistics, it shoots from some 2% to 100% ... -- Sixorish 14:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Sixorish, now you just killed me... I'm not ommiting empty ones in way mentioned by you. Just think, if you kill 700 wasps and drop 20HC, there should be in statistics: killed 20, HC 20, empty 0, lol. It's clear for me if i can see: killed 700, item 20. Rest of monsters had to be empty, especially when monster drop only one item. Counting worthless/useless items as a drop is pointless, it rather should be treat as empty too. "omg, omg, i've looted a bone from bonebeast, i'm so happy". I'm still not sure how do you understand if i said i 'didn't counted empty ones', you think empty weren't added to 'killed' number or just haven't wrote 'empty, xx'?
I think continuing this issue is pointless. I understand your statement, from now i'm making stats with scripts mentioned in help:LS. (anyway i still think BB stats should be brought back until someone won't make a new one. Info that i looted 129 plate armors from 1.7k BB is still useful to people who want to get some loot there.)--Ziom23ek 15:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Useless to you, perhaps, but someone else may be looking for these statistics for their own purposes - be it Halloween themed decoration, or a mission of the postman quest, bones can be useful to players. Should someone contemplate hunting them for bones, the statistics are there to aid them in making this decision. I will add your statistics again, but they may be removed when/if someone contributes a more accurate set. -- Sixorish 15:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)