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About creature loots

I don't know if someone suggested it before, so here we go.

I really think there should be some way to link the creature's loot to the respective item(or visa-versa). I don't know, maybe using DPL list...

Why? This way we would have to change only one page to add the loot on all related pages. For example, someone added to the Spectre the Abyss Hammer loot, but he didn't added the Spectre to the Abyss Hammer's loot list(I just added it right now).

So, what I mean, shouldn't there be a way to link the items and the monster's so we only need to edit the loot in one place?

Thanks. Cya!

Zephirdd


You got a little bit ahead of me.

Yes, I am working on a way to do exactly that. There are a couple of things that I need to work out, but it will happen in much the way you explained.

-- Feles mala!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:20, 5 December 2007 (PST)


All right, thank you! :)

Zephirdd


I can't seem to make it work yet. I will keep trying, but for now we need to continue with the way we have it, manually updating both places each time.

-- Fac ut gaudeam.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Listing of all tibia creatures listed on tibia.com along with weaknesses/strengths/immunities

Since it's a large table that would just be used to update the current magical damage pages, I've put it here
User:Wisling/Creature_list
The higher the value in the column, the higher the damage done to the creature. 1-immune 10-strong against 100-normal damage 1000-weak against

-- Wisling yeh it is a good idea to have a number ammount rather then jsut strong weak as some things take 2x more damage and other take 1.1x its nice to know wich.
¿ DisÅstér Móntêiro ¤  Tãlk ¤ ¿
13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

DPL Issue?

Hi. Maybe it's just me but I'm having problems with some pages and they all seem to be DPL related. The first I noticed was that GFB was missing from the runes page. I was going to fix it, but with DPL, I haven't got a clue how. Now when I try to view the Creatures by EXP page only half of the page displays properly. I've also noticed that the Giants page has no data (other than a couple of /n). When I walked back through the differences, the page seemed to clear up just before the conversion to DPL. I've tried to view the pages through both Firefox and IE and both ways gives the same results. I've also cleared out my cache and that doesn't seem to help either. I'm all for making changes like DPL if it will keep maintenance down, but isn't a wiki supposed to be easy for the readers to update and fix. We may be stepping into a region where anyone who wants to do updates and contribute will require special training or knowledge. Again, it could be just me. At any rate, could you please check the mentioned pages and see if they look ok to you. Thanks for your time.

http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Creatures_by_Experience_Points

JovianMoon 06:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

>The best that i can see is that initially the pages with DPL added do not seem to work, but after refreshing or going back to them they appear. This may have to do with if Erig added DPL and wikia did not, or vice versa. When i went to a page with tibia.erig.net/~ as the url the DPL parsed correctly, but not initially with wikia. I am not quite sure how to solve this, it may be a higher level problem. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 16:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


This should be fixed now. According to Nef, they are transitioning their servers to a newer version of MediaWiki, with the latest version of DPL. During this transition, TibiaWiki was placed on the old codebase, which caused DPL to stop working correctly for us.

This should now be resolved.

-- Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I still see a mess on the 'creatures by experience points' page. Am I the only one seeing this? JovianMoon 14:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


All of the DPL issues should be resolved, but the list of creatures by experience does not use DPL. The problem with that page is that it is too large. There is a hard cap on how many transcluded templates are rendered on a MediaWiki page, and that page exceeds the maximum allowed.

If you view the source of the page, you will see a lot of this:

<!-- WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large -->

The only real solution would be to split the page up into smaller pages.

-- Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

RespawnMap

Hi, (-:

I cannot find a wiki page with the code of your extension. (Well, both of them - RespawnMap and Spoiler.) I belive I saw it somewhere back on tibia.erig.net. If you (re)post it here I'll add diffs between your code and what's now on Wikia.

If you want to develop RespawnMap further I'd be more than happy to deploy your code. Guys from gamewikis.org said they would like to test it on GuildWiki, too. This may be cool extension for all gaming wiki at Wikia.

Pls. ping me if I might be of any help for you,

-- Nef @fandom (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the support. I hadn't really spent much time on the respawn map extension, but it should at least serve as a starting point. In its current condition, there was a problem in Firefox where the images were not lining up properly. I was having some trouble getting them to stay in the containing DIV, but still be positioned ABSOLUTE... whenever I had them contained, they would flow and then the alignment would be all wrong.

I would be pleased if some other people were interested in helping improve it!

Anyway, the code for both of these extensions can be found on these template pages:

The respawn map is not being used on Tibia wiki at the moment, so it is open to any amount of architectural changes.

-- Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 15:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding ;dropped by None

i wonder if we can change that, i find it annoying, cant we link it to dropped by "Quest: ~~ "

or even just Quest Item

then you can click on it, and then finally link to the quest to get it.

just wondering xD Starlight Jol 09:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


I'll see if I can figure something out for you.

Since this information would be quest spoiling, I hesitate a little bit to make this info too visible. We don't want to ruin the game for anyone, especially people that want to figure out the quests for themselves.

-- ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 15:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


thanks for the thoughts,

just a small opinion, i guess most people come here to spoil everything, not many i would think that would come here to get a small piece of info, but hey, i dont see what people look at and what they do/dont spoil :op

i despised of this site at first, but over time i have grown to love it (mainly npc searching and new items to buy etc)

~~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starlight Jol (talkcontribs). Remember to sign your comments!


I know what you mean, and that has been a hot topic in the past, which is why we should be sensitive to it.

-- Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 15:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

DPL, again

Concerning the DPL formatting on Invisibility, it says no creatures can turn invisible. Many do turn invisible, but it does not seem to pick out the correct word in the abilities line in the Infobox_Creatures templates well. I am uncertain of how to solve this, my only idea, to add internal link brackets ([[]]) on "Invisibility"
(| includematch={{DPLPARM Regex.templateparmlink|abilities|[[Invisibility]]}}) did not work in preview. I hope there is a simple coding switch, otherwise another set of parameters may be needed for the infobox just for abilities, perhaps similar to the immunities line. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 22:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

  • On an unrelated note, the problem report 'Actions' are visible for me, but unusable despite what the source code says it should do.

I see that you found a way to fix the list on the Invisibility page. In case you aren't sure why it worked, or if any one else is interested, here's an explanation.

It wasn't working before, because the only included parameter was the "Name" (the line "| include={Infobox_Creature}:name"). This worked in previous versions, but they "fixed" this discrepancy with the current version. Because of that, if you want to do a regex comparison (or any comparison), then the "| include=" line needs to include the template parameter you want to compare against.

I know that won't make very much sense to most people, but it will help to look at the changes that DM made to the page. If you guys have any specific questions, just let me know. I'll do my best to answer them.

-- Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Reporting someone

I tried to report through your special button but it didn't save. So I'll just leave it here. This user Xanejaqci vandalized: Creatures, Rashid and Chimera. Could you please kick his account? Thanks

 Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn
^^  º Bennie º  ¤ Talk ¤  ^^ 11:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the report. DM put a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, he will be blocked from editing.

-- Canis meus id comedit
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Immunities

I was wondering if DPL could be applied in the Template:Infobox Creature/List to read the 'immuneto' line in Template:Infobox Creature and use those values, or to display the respective images (i.e. Burned Icon). I had fiddled around a bit with a test template, but had nothing conclusive. I know that you removed the immunities line, but i am just checking to see if this is a possibility. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 15:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


Range category for Distance Weapons

Just a bit of idea I had, that this category should be added to Distance Weapons (similar like Lvl. Atk. Def. are standard ones) or maybe on pages for each one separately as subcategory. I think it would be quite useful since Cip has habit of changing it a lot last few updates so people ask all the time which weapon shoots longest, which spear is better etc. For example it makes all the difference hunting cults with enchanted spears with range of 4 or royals with range only 3sqm, so information like this would make sense in making permanent part of distance weapons stats. Nienna 15:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


I think that is a very logical idea. I have added the "range" parameter to the items template. Simply add this code to any distance weapon page:

|  range     = X

Where "X" is the number of squares away that the weapon can be used to attack.

-- Ridiculum sum, ergo sum
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 15:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Templates and stuff

Hi, I've lurk around the wiki since you guys have move looking on what i can steal hehehe; i was untangling the esoteric templates you guys have and notice the bug report where basically the templates are running out of the allow mediawiki template inclusion space, and well come up with this ideas.

  • To substitute the {{if|test={{{foo}}}|then={{{foo}}}|else=twit}} (44 characters) for {{#if:{{{foo|}}}|{{{foo}}}|twit}} (33 characters) in this examples you are saving 10 characters since i have seen its been use intensively (also to note that {{IF}} its a 2 layer transclusion, so the actual characters its more than what its been show but will free space on 1 layer and pre-expand include size) that will mean a lot, also as a plus even thought its put on debate and was rejected in wikipedia its just a tiny bit less server stress (supposedly).
  • Also document the templates as a sub page since its not display in the HTML but its taken into account by mediawiki i quote from Wikipedia Template:Documentation
Text on the template page itself adds to the amount of text which must be processed when displaying the template, which is limited for performance reasons: there is a limits pre-expand include size maximum of 2,048,000 bytes. Placing the documentation in a subpage reduces the wikitext for documentation on the template page itself to a template call and noinclude tags. MediaWiki developers have recommended this system for this reason.
  • Also im not 100% sure its a personal guess but i think if you change HTML tables to wikitables it may reduce also the load but i will double check this.

--Cizagna (Talk) 19:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the suggestions! Help improving the wiki is always welcome!

About using the if template. You are absolutely correct, and I have changed some of them already, but I don't usually change something like that if it is working. Since we moved to Wikia, the template inclusion limit has be reduced, which is why this was not a real problem before, so I will make a more concerted effort to update these.

About the documentation on the template page, I didn't realize that it made that much of a difference. I guess I assumed that the cost for every <noinclude> tag was essentially the same. With that in mind, I will also start moving template documentation to a subpage, and the transcluding it in the template page. Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm also not sure about the wikitable/htmltable thing, but changing all of our htmltables into wikitables will bring up some other potential problems (unless they fixed wikitable parsing in newer versions of MediaWiki). I had attempted to migrate many tables to wikitables, but every template I used in a wikitable would break, and I had to use one of the transcluded pipe character workarounds to make it work. Anyway, I'll maybe check it out again, now that you have suggested it.

-- Veni, vidi, volo in domum redire
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Gallery and creature lists

Hello Whitey. As you may already have noticed (maybe), the gallery tags and the new skin completely does not fit on the screen. You can check on Hero and Ferumbras pages history (since I removed the galleries for now) that the galleries simply ignore the standard size of the page and go below the ADs, and I don't know how to change it, and I think you do, and maybe you have a solution and galleries can be used over again.

Now about the creatures lists... I've seen some reports due to the list becoming broken at the middle.. I'm trying to see what's happening there, but would not be better to change it to DPL? I'm not sure about it, since it'll need a different table from items DPL. But I think it'll work. What do you think?

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


About the galleries not fitting on the screen, I made a quick reply to your message on Erig's talk page.

Concerning the long creature lists... the problem is that they are too long. Turning these into DPL lists would produce exactly the same problem, except it would all occur on the server inside the DPL extension), and there would be no feedback to the user... the page request would only timeout.

In order to fix this problem, I made a proposal on the creatures talk page, but there have been no responses. If you have any ideas about how to improve my suggestion, please do.

-- C'est la fin des hericots
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


My mistake, it looks like there has been some feedback. More is always appreciated, though!

-- Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

User Page Vandal

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The user Extantium (talkcontribsbot contribsblock logblock) has vandalized the page User:Maverick the hunter. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely,
User:Maverick the hunter


Thanks for the message. I left a warning on his talk page.

-- Festina lente.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 16:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


Can I ask you to protect my page from editing? I know who he is, and I know that he will not care about your warnings. I don't intend in doing any other changes now. -- Maverick the hunter 16:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


I really hesitate to protect user pages. It's just one of those things.

Anyway, if you really think it will be a problem, I'll go ahead and do it for you.

-- Semper ubi sububi in caput tuum
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 17:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


Yes, please. I don't want to feel hassled by that. -- Maverick the hunter 17:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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