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Spawn and location of items

I whas thinking that it will be nice to have a page where you can find information of dayli spawn of items and their location. Like the 10 salmons at the fisherman hut or the blue rose in ab'dendriel. Some players never know they are there because they get pick fast for the first person to find them.

Kwigon the sharpshooter

I agree with your idea, we should add this page, but it kind of spoils the game a bit, anyway, here's my two cents.

 Ψ Genosonic Ψ   Ψ  My Contributions Ψ   Ψ  Talk Ψ  


As Genosonic mentioned, it would spoil the game. Maybe creating a page for spawn itens and a spoil box (show/view) and it should not be mentioned on the itens page (like, blue rose resp on x location)

Else I would disagree...

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 19:06, 2 February 2007 (PST)


I agree that this information would be border-line quest spoiling (even some of the listed quests are merely item respawns!), but the new spoiler block should allow us to include this information on the items pages without spoiling the game for people that don't want to know that info. Simply add this to the page:

<spoiler>... add spoiling information here ...</spoiler>

-- Non possum credere me totum edisse
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:37, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Template for outdated articles?

whitey, I know you're indeed concerned with the content on this wiki being true and up-to-date
lately I've been wondering if we should simply delete pages like Grynch Clan Goblin or if we should keep them fur future reference

I got to the conclusion that, if we are gonna keep it, there should be a heading template to warn readers that the article is about a past event/creature/item/etc..
What do you think of creating such template?
thanks in advance,
 Nagatho Goldenflag 
 Talk   Contributions  12:55, 11 February 2007 (PST)


I recently added a template for deprecated pages (more of these templates can be found at TibiaWiki:Messagebox Templates). I know you have seen it, but I thought I should also mention it here for completeness.

-- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:16, 8 March 2007 (PST)

New Spoiler Block Template

Hello Whitelaces,
should we use this template on all articles of items/NPCs being used/needed in a quest or also on all items obtained through quests? I've got some time in the following days so I could start adding the spoiler block on the quest items.
-- Xellos φ Contributions φ Talk 07:02, 21 February 2007 (PST)


Yes, that would be a very appropriate use of it.

-- Semper ubi sububi in caput tuum
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:46, 21 February 2007 (PST)

few things I wanted to say

hey whitey,
kinda off-topic, but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate being listed in the Credits page

I'll prove myself worthy more and more :D

by the way I wanted to talk to you about 2 things:

  • The Spoiling Policy Proposal
what's become of it? There have been no more feedbacks.. Should we consider making it more public by mentioning it in the Community Portal page, or anything else? because I think it is quite important since TibiaWiki is now a supported fansite, and specially now that we got the spoiling content template
  • Some templates which should be used regularly on marking pages
by marking pages I mean marking for deletion, as stub, as minimal and some others for example
although these do already exist, there is no page where they are mentioned, making it hard to find their names and how to use them
I'ld say it's another must on the Community Portal page, so that editors can also help to clean and organise the wiki

Guess that's all.. I'll show up if I have anything else to add
usual bear hugs,
 Nagatho Goldenflag   Talk   Contributions   26 February 2007 - 23:41 


About the credits page mention, you are welcome. You deserve it.

About the spoiling policy proposal... I will see if I can each Erig and ask his opinion, but I have not seen or heard any arguments against it, or even suggested revisions. For now, just continue to treat it as an "unofficial policy." The spoiler block extension should remove almost every reason to turn down the policy proposal.

About the other templates... I have sorta dropped the ball on that one. I will get back on it. In the next week (hopefully) expect to see some more of those templates, and a central location where they are all listed. Thanks for reminding me about it.

If you have any specific ones in mind, please let me know and I will be sure to include them.

-- Fac me cocleario vomere!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:33, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Regarding an improper page

Do you mind taking a quick look at the page "Spell Casta"? Pudd Knight has already taken care of the content of the page, though the the page itself can only be erased by you or any sysop.

Thanks in advance
-- Maverick the hunter 19:20, 28 February 2007 (PST)


DM already take care of that, I thnk Whitelaces din't even noticed it since it was too fast, but I think next time use that "Report a Vandal" thing, since his talk page is HUGE and I think it's easier for him ;P

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 21:14, 28 February 2007 (PST)


Haha. Yeah, my talk page gets pretty big sometimes, but that's not why I didn't see the report. I wasn't near a computer since yesterday afternoon. Also, today is the first of the month... so it's time to archive my old conversations  :)

Anyway, DM does a really good job. Seems like he is on the wiki whenever I am not, so we have pretty good coverage. He also watches the recent changes, and I'm sure he watches the other admins' talk pages, too.

We will catch stuff like that one way or another. Thanks for reporting it!

-- Panem et circenses.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:10, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Creature pages

I've been working on the creature pages (trying to make them more similar to each other) and many of the pages have the creatures table listed twice at the bottom of the page (IE toads). I think this has something to do with how the template pages are set up. Would it be possible to have a creature template page set up and the creature table removed from the other templates? I don't really know much about coding or I would attempt this myself. Thanks and I can't wait to hear from you. ~ Uno time


Nevermind, it just seems that some of the sub templates had the creature template listed as well. I just removed those and everything seems to be ok now. Thanks! ~ Uno time


Thanks, Uno. That does look better. I still think there must be a better way to convey that information (those templates look kinda goofy to me, and seem to clutter the pages), but thank you for cleaning them up a bit. Every improvement is appreciated!

-- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:12, 1 March 2007 (PST)

A detail on spoiler blocker

Hi. After some time using the spoiler block, I see some "errors" maybe (only visual). I don't know "how to edit" that or if I even can, but could you take a look here on Erig talk page and tell me what you think, and if you could do something about it.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 06:51, 1 March 2007 (PST)


Yeah, I see what you mean. I can't edit it directly, but I'll write up something so that Erig can fix it.

-- Cave canem.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:55, 1 March 2007 (PST)


I added another code update to erig's talk page. As soon as he applies it, the spoiler block should look better.

-- Ridiculum sum, ergo sum
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:49, 2 March 2007 (PST)


Well I checked it, it looks better with space and all, but the spoiler is showing information as default (at least for me) this should be fixed too, else it become useless =P

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 11:43, 3 March 2007 (PST)


Thanks for the message. I posted a small fix on Erig's talk page. As soon as he updates the script, I think it will work.

-- Fac me cocleario vomere!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:02, 5 March 2007 (PST)


Now it looks good. There is still the issue of someone disabling javascript (the spoiler block will never be hidden... only always visible)... also, the text from the spoiler block is still visible when you edit the page, but I think this is a huge improvement, and should be enough to satisfy almost everyone.

-- Ridiculum sum, ergo sum
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:46, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


I din't notice this because I don't disabled the javascript ;P
But I had noticed before that the spoiler is not hidden when you edit, but I think there's not a problen at all, since if you are editing the page you probaly already know abt the spoiler, even if you don't, you'll see the text on the edit text box.. As you said it's already a huge improvement ^^

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:12, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

MSN?

I'd like to have a word with you on MSN. If you're interested, just send me your MSN address to maver1ck@tibiabrmail.com :)

-- Maverick the hunter 12:37, 6 March 2007 (PST)


I don't have MSN, sorry. Feel free to contact me by email, though <tavinflavura@gmail.com>.

-- Labra lege
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:18, 6 March 2007 (PST)

Deprecated

Hey Whitelaces, recently I saw that you renamed a template to "Depricated", but to my knowledge it's "Deprecated", the word doesn't contain that i. Definition:Deprecated. Depricate returns no results. --

 Ψ Genosonic Ψ   Ψ  My Contributions Ψ   Ψ  Talk Ψ   14:02, 7 March 2007 (PST)


You are correct. I'll fix it. I'm glad you noticed it!

-- Vorrei un po' di carne rosso, per favore.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 14:07, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Clutter-free Signature

Whitelaces, I'm not sure whether this technique is better but it helps discussion be more clutter-free.

My solution to avoid the automatic signature parser to put all that html clutter in the discussions was to create two different pages for the signature.

The first one, with all the HTML and the content of the signature itself (see User:Genosonic/Signaturesubst).

And the last one, including just an "include" of the Signature page, which will be used to put the code in the Nickname field on the Preferences page. (see User:Genosonic/Signature).

The code for my Nickname field on the Preferences page is the following: {{subst:User:Genosonic/Signature}}

So when I put --~~~~ after my message, the result will be (for example):

--{{User:Genosonic/Signaturesubst}} 14:02, 7 March 2007 (PST)


I hope you find this information as useful as it is for me and for others that read this discussion. --

 Ψ Genosonic Ψ   Ψ  My Contributions Ψ   Ψ  Talk Ψ   20:13, 7 March 2007 (PST)


Did you checked that box Raw signatures ?

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 03:38, 8 March 2007 (PST)


Yeah, but don't know the difference it makes. --

 Ψ Genosonic Ψ   Ψ  My Contributions Ψ   Ψ  Talk Ψ   05:23, 8 March 2007 (PST)


I don't remember what's the difference because I did mine a long time ago, but I remember it don't work if it's checked. My signature is like this: {{SUBST:User:Pudd Knight/Signature}} (with raw thing marked)

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 05:44, 8 March 2007 (PST)


My signature used to be like that, but I have found that it is better to fully-subst the signature, yes, it makes discussions more cluttered, but it lowers the demand on the server, and if a discussion gets too large, then the included signatures might not show up at all. Also, you should read discussions in the rendered page anyway, since links, images, formatting, etc. are usually important to a discussion, and an editor always assumes it will be read that way (not read by looking at the wiki code).

I have been toying with some ideas for changing my signature. Now that you have brought it up, I will probably try and make it "light" in terms of code or html... so that it doesn't interfere with editing talk pages.

-- Feles mala!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 05:57, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Regarding PoI

I have seen that most of the quest names have been altered to match the Questlog of the Tibian client. With this in mind, I thought I'd see the Pits of Inferno Quest in the same way it's meant to be written. (Quest log shows "The Pits of Inferno).

Can I move it accordingly? Thanks in advance,
-- Maverick the hunter 05:33, 8 March 2007 (PST)


It should be redirected to "The Pits of Inferno Quest" like most quests, since it can be confuse, because there is pits of inferno, and it's quest, the quest log don't need to add it, but on the wiki it's needed to make the difference.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 05:42, 8 March 2007 (PST)


I agree with Pudd Knight. It should be named after the quest log, but please add "Quest" at the end. This is the primary way to easily identify quest pages in the wiki. I would fully support moving the quest page from "Pits of Inferno Quest" to "The Pits of Inferno Quest" to match the quest log.

-- Quisque comoedus est
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 05:49, 8 March 2007 (PST)

A question

I'd like to know if the english I use in the TibiaWiki, both in edition and discussion is good or if it has any flaws. That way, I can improve myself for this wiki. :)

Thanks in advance -- Maverick the hunter 09:06, 8 March 2007 (PST)


I appreciate your concern. So far, you have done very well. I have only noticed some small mistakes, and they are fairly common mistakes for most wiki editors. I will try to pay more attention in the future.

-- Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:11, 8 March 2007 (PST)

new cup

Hey hey, I found a cup on Nargor, in the tavern, which is not on the site yet. Here is a little screenshot if the thing with the name and weight.

Cup

/The_Pox.


Cool. Actually, I have seen that cup before, but I don't think it has a page on the wiki yet. I'll add it. Thanks for the image and information!

-- Magnus Frater te spectat
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:10, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


I had saw this cup some times, there's just a small problens that your image is not with that option "don't shriek the screen" and the cup is huge.. and it's on a poor jpg, later when I had time I'll add a better image.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:14, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


Thanks, Pudd. I did't have time to get a "good" version of the image, so I just put that one there as a sort of placeholder. I appreciate it that you are getting a better one to upload.

-- Braccae tuae aperiuntur
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 09:00, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Treggel

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The user Treggel (talkcontribsbot contribsblock logblock) has vandalized the page The Paradox Tower Quest/Spoiler. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Editted: DM took care of him, thanks :)

Sincerely,
User:Master Player


Thanks for the report, Master Player, and thanks for taking care of it so quickly, DM!

-- Obesa cantavit
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:12, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Manafluid trouble

Vini'shocks was seemingly attempting to move page Mf to Manafluid but switched the two, then deleted the page. Genosonic then re-added the lost information. I tried to rollback so as to recall to the original history but for some reason i could not rollback to the correct state. In fact several times i tried and nothing happened at all. You are better at figuring these ones out so if you could recall back to the original history on manafluids that would be great. :P
--DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 19:35, 10 March 2007 (PST)


I don't know what happened at all, but it looks like the history is on the Mf and not on Manafluid... I just copied the lastest "good" revision and pasted on the current Manafluid page. I think the only way to get the history line is to delete the current manafluid page, then move "mf" to "manafluid" (I think this will work, not sure at all). But for now at least the Manafluid page have the enough old information, it just lack the old history line.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 21:10, 10 March 2007 (PST)


It should be fixed now. The page was moved from Manafluid to Mf.... so I moved it back to preserve the edit history. All of the moving, clearing, redirecting, etc. are also in the edit history.

-- Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:24, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

A question

Should the page regarding the Mage Outfits Quest be protected against editing? Seems like people tend to think that they're always right no matter what kind of discussion has been for the outcome to be and be kept as a reference. I've seen at least 4 undoes, one of them being mine, due to people thinking that TibiaWiki is errouneously displaying one of the images. It would save a lot of effort if you protected this page, since there apparently there is no more substantial information to be added therein.

Thanks in advance
-- Maverick the hunter 20:55, 10 March 2007 (PST)


I really don't like protecting pages unless absolutely necessary, so I added a warning to the top of those pages (the quest page and outfits pages). If the warning does not deter people from changing it, then we may need to protect the pages and the images, but I think that should only be used as our last option.

-- Nullum gratuitum prandium
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Vandals

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The user Mythologys Wizard (talkcontribsbot contribsblock logblock) has vandalized the page User:Foerteth and vice versa, both are doing war edits on their user pages. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 10:48, 11 March 2007 (PDT)


I placed a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, he will be blocked.

-- Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:11, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Minor Edits question

This is a simple question and I think you can aswer me.

When doing some edit there's that box "Minor Edit", if you check it a m will be placed before the edit. For me, this is just to show the others editors that you made just a simple edit, like some grammar or broken links or something like that. But my question is: This is really the only function minor edits have or it have any other purpose(s) or function(s)?

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 17:30, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


That's the main purpose.... but users can also "hide minor edits" by default... so they might not show up in the Recent Changes list for everyone (you can also "Hide Minor Edits" directly on the recent changes page).

-- Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 19:45, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding a template I've added

I don't know how does this work very well, so I'm here asking your help regarded to a template I have just added. Would you be so kind to take a look and tell me what I could do to improve it? The template is Template:Rings. If I get your approval, I'll be adding this template in the rings page. :)

Edit: I am willing to do it for the shields if it is needed. What do you say?

-- Maverick the hunter 16:21, 14 March 2007 (PDT)


I think you should make the table smaller, the width take the whole screen and it's not necessary.
Edit: Looks nice now, I think it's nice and will be cool for shields and other's stuff too.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 16:43, 14 March 2007 (PDT)


Yeah, it looks pretty good. I still think that all of those templates look kinda goofy, and I'm trying to come up with a better way to keep that functionality. For now, Maverick, it looks good. Thanks for the work!

-- Ioco optimo delactamur
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:57, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Table

I tried to remove runes if magic level is not high enough to use them, but didn't succeed. Could you do it? --Ville-v 02:47, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


It's not as easy as it sounds. Since the mediawiki software parses all html tags, it will force any that it does not recognize (or that are not properly formed) to be literal text, instead of HTML. This is why you cannot use the parser functions to show/hide individual table rows. Consider the following example:

Wiki Code:Produced Output:
<table border="1">
 <tr>
  <td>Row 1, A</td>
  <td>Row 1, B</td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td>Row 2, A</td>
  <td>Row 2, B</td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td>Row 3, A</td>
  <td>Row 3, B</td>
 </tr>
</table>
Row 1, A Row 1, B
Row 2, A Row 2, B
Row 3, A Row 3, B
Wiki Code:Produced Output:
<table border="1">
{{#ifexpr: 1 = 2 |
 <tr>
  <td>Row 1, A</td>
  <td>Row 1, B</td>
 </tr>
}}
{{#ifexpr: 1 = 1 |
 <tr>
  <td>Row 2, A</td>
  <td>Row 2, B</td>
 </tr>
}}
 <tr>
  <td>Row 3, A</td>
  <td>Row 3, B</td>
 </tr>
</table>
Row 2, A Row 2, B
Row 3, A Row 3, B


Notice how Row 1 is hidden... as expected, but also notice that Row 2 is rendered as literal text... not allowed to be pushed through as HTML for making the table.

There are a couple of ways I can think of to accomplish what you are talking about:

Option 1: Put each rune in a separate table ... this will cause there to be extra space and lines between them, but it will allow you to show and hide each of them separately.

Option 2: Place the "#ifexpr" condition inside every cell on the row: <tr><td>{{#ifexpr: 1=2 | "Rune Name" }}</td><td>{{#ifexpr: 1=2 | {{calcualtor|lvl, etc.}} }}</td></tr>

This will also produce "extra" space between the hidden ones, but will look "normal" if all runes are visible.

Option 3: Leave it the way it is. I made the calculators smart enough to display "n/a" when you do not have a high-enough magic level to use the rune. This may cause some clutter on the page, but it may also be desirable for low level characters to see which runes they can't use yet... something to look forward to :)

Anyway, as I see it, those are the three easy options. I hope this helps.

-- Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:54, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


Wait... Maybe I spoke too soon.

After researching this a little, I think I might have found a way to make it work...

-- Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:22, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


Okay, all that needed to be done was to change the table to use WikiTable markup instead of HTML. There was also an issue with the pipe character (nothing new), so I had to use the ! template.

Since the page content is apparently parsed after templates are finished parsing, it allows this functionality, because the WikiTable markup is returned from the templates, then it is parsed for display.

Like magic  :)

Since I did not want to change the functionality of the template (it is used on MANY user pages), I made it an option. Simply add one more parameter to the template on your user page to make it work:

...
|  hideunusable = yes
...

-- Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 13:48, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


Hi there,

I adjusted Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Graph taking your changes for the Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Table into account. Hopefully I did everything correctly...

btw. there seems to be a problem with the graphs when a user hasn't set the 'max' property...


 → May the Force be with you ← 
--  Ereglam †  Talk †  -- 18:41, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

It seems that the max damage value of last rune of table is placed in the top of table cell, instead of middle. I tested with different magic levels, and this seems still happen, even after your minor fix (yes, i cleared browser cache). I did not test it without hideunusable, because I noticed it did not affect SD and explosion somehow, only lmm, fireball and gfb runes. Weirdly I did not find any difference between rows of those runes. --Ville-v 07:06, 22 March 2007 (PDT)


That indicates that it is an issue with whitespace... the wiki automatically adds <p> tags based on how much whitespace is between lines. Even a single line-break can add a "p" tag in certain circumstances.

-- Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 08:21, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

History/Triva for items

i have an idea, to add a page for each page that has some history etc, most recent example is the items from surprise bags, this information isnt usefull anymore on the item pages but it might need to be known, this is my simple idea hopefully someone will see my vision and elaborate on it.
¿ DisÅstér Móntêiro ¤  Tãlk ¤ ¿
________________ 08:31, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


Creating a separate page for every item seems like overkill. Until a better solution is found, can you please just add it to the notes section, or maybe in < noinclude ></ noinclude > tags after the infobox?

Maybe some other users or admins have some good ideas that might work for this.

I agree with the idea, though. We do not want to lose that historical information, but it may no longer be relevant to the game, so it would distract readers or become misleading.

I will think about this some more, but please wait for some more input before making any sweeping updates about this.

-- Nemo Hispanic Inquisition expectat
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 12:21, 21 March 2007 (PDT) yeh i was just putting it out there, didnt gve my "idea" much thought, maybe we could use tags like the spoiler tags?
¿ DisÅstér Móntêiro ¤  Tãlk ¤ ¿
________________ 19:38, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding your message

Thanks, White, I got kind of upset with that and I thought I could be of some help. I'm sorry about that, I'll keep this in mind.

Another thing, can I add another template for club/swords/axe weapons?

Thank you!
-- Maverick the hunter 08:54, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


No problem, Maverick. Like I said, it was not meant as a reprimand, just an opportunity to learn a little more about the MediaWiki software.

About the club/sword/axe templates, that would be fine. You don't need permission to make updates like that, but keep in mind how they will be used and how easy it will be to keep them updated.

-- Stultus est sicut stultus facit
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:29, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Female mage and summoner outfits

Why do you constantly revert it to ine INCORRECT image???

Summoner - has the potion belt and the head dress addons

Mage - ferumbrass hat and the wand addons

I would have though it was pretty obvious, the male summoner has potionbelt addon yet you think that the fmale summoner does not???

Pls set it right =]

and dont say im wrong pls cause im not

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neptune (talkcontribs) 16:09, March 21, 2007. Remember to sign your comments!


I'm sorry to be direct, but yes, you are wrong. There is a reason for that. When you are editing the Wikipedia sometimes you will come across several warnings stapled atop the page that serve as an advisory function. There has been a rather long and controversial talk about the matter at hand. Tibia client displays it the way it's displayed on this Wiki. The moment CIP changes it, it will be changed accordingly -- fow now, we shall follow thei standard.

If you don't think my explanation is reasonable enough, please take your time and read the following pages:

They're all about what you are trying to tell. And the answer for all the questions lies in there.

Have a good time, -- Maverick the hunter 16:12, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


There's also the fact that the quest itself is for summoner (male) and the same quest affect mage (female).. A cip mistake? I don't think so, thy just made those addons like potion belt, the potion belt would not suit that female summoner but fit on female mage, they just inverted, and I think intentionaly (I don't think they're dumb enough to missplace things like this, since one outfit is free and another is premmy). The fact is, to get the potion belt, if you are male it makes for summoner, if you're female it makes for mage, and the quest just show THAT, if you can't understand this fact, simply don't edit those pages, for me it's very simple. And I repeat, being a error from cipsoft OR NOT, this doens't matter now.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 16:51, 21 March 2007 (PDT)


Neptune, I understand your frustration. Before CIP added the outfit names to the Tibia client, I was fighting for exactly the same thing you are arguing for now. When CIP added the outfit names to the client, it removed most of the doubt about their intentions. If you read the other discussions on this topic, you will find that this is not the only reason we have named them this way in the Wiki, but there is more supporting evidence in-game.

This is one of those topics that is debatable from either perspective, and I want you to understand that this is not something that I chose on a whim and am forcing everyone to comply with my ideals. There have been many discussions and arguments, and support for each conclusion has been weighed. In this case, the hard-evidence in the Tibia client has won.

-- non compos mentis
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:39, 22 March 2007 (PDT)


Loot list

I find that Loot lists are not complete. Behemoth claw, honey combs and some other thing have a price, you can sell them to NPC but in that list is not mentioned. I don't know how too fix it(I'm trying to leran how to write all this pages), if I can, so I write to you, who knows almost everything there. Thanks Zvezdiica 04:48, 23 March 2007 (PDT)


These lists get outdated sometimes, as the game changes and as we learn more about the creatures, so keeping them updated is merely an issue of perseverance. About some of the items not showing their "loot value ratio", that one just needs to be changed on the item page. You can see an example of that with my edit to the Behemoth Claw page. Making that small change will allow the value to be displayed in the loot lists.

I hope this helps! If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

-- Canis meus id comedit
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 05:48, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

User uses Profanity in Userpage

Can you check the edit history of User:Kezzie? Seems like he's being quite vulgar and someone erased the page for him. If this is violating TibiaWiki's policies, can you let him know? --

 Ψ Genosonic Ψ   Ψ  My Contributions Ψ   Ψ  Talk Ψ   20:49, 25 March 2007 (PDT)


While I personally think that profanity is a bad idea, even for user pages, there is no policy on this wiki that would restrict that kind of behavior.

Profanity is removed from normal articles because it is unencyclopedic, unnecessary, and lowers the quality of articles. User pages do not fall in this category of pages. If the statements are particularly destructive or abusive, or if it seems to adversely affect the TibiaWiki community, then action may be taken by an administrator. The general "rule of thumb" should probably be that if you might be banished in-game for it, then you might be banished here for it.

Genosonic, the first thing you should do in cases like this is to leave a message on their talk page asking them to remove the profanity, or re-word it to be less-offensive. If they refuse, then notify an admin and ask them to help moderate the situation.

-- Festina lente.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:18, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

replied

i have replied to your message on my talk page.
¿ DisÅstér Móntêiro ¤  Tãlk ¤ ¿
09:43, 26 March 2007 (PDT)


Thanks.

-- Canis meus id comedit
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 10:24, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Your to do list

I saw your to do list and I see 2 things there refering to tibia client and geography. If possible could you explain better what you mean with it? I would be pleased to help with both maybe, I love tibia geography and I thing I understand enough of the client.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 17:03, 26 March 2007 (PDT)


What I meant for those two was really just placing pages in those categories. Pages that use templates are added to categories by the templates, but pages concerning Geography and the Tibia Client do not use templates, so I hadn't gone through to find all of those pages yet and place them in those categories.

It's really just a tedious exercise in adding categories to pages.

-- Feles mala!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:06, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

A suggestion

You were debating whether was a particular way of replacing the current equipment templates, and here I was thinking, why don't you drop down box in the equipments? In a way that it is sorted alphabetically and you can find it instead of searching it in the "goofy" template (like you said :p)

I don't know, it's just a suggestion
-- Maverick the hunter 17:25, 26 March 2007 (PDT)


That's a pretty good idea, but it would involve writing another extension for the wiki. I'll try a few things and see what I can come up with.

-- Fac ut gaudeam.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:08, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


I would like to talk with you in-game. What is a good time CET I might get ahold you in Honera?

-- Maverick the hunter 09:25, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


I'm on-line right now.

-- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:06, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding Vandalism Warning

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Properties

Property Value
Combat Properties
Health Health Icon 1000 + -
Experience Experience Icon 500 + -
Est. Max Dmg (with summons) 300 hp/turn + -
Summon + - mana
Convince + - mana
General Properties
Name Samimel + -
Classification Unknown.
Spawn Type
Illusionable
Pushable ?
Pushes ?
Elemental Properties
Physical 100%
Earth 100%
Fire 100%
Death 100%
Energy 100%
Holy 100%
Ice 100%
Heal 100%
Life Drain 100%
Drown 100%
Immunity Properties
Paralysable ?
Senses Invis. ?
Behavioural Properties
Walks around
Walks through
Other Properties
Version Unknown.
Status Active
Help
NoCreature
You see Samimel + -.
"PLEASE KEZMAN HELP ME DO HOTA"; "MY MOTHER IS DEAD AIITMANN DONT INSULT ME PLZ IM BR?:("; + -

Notes

He's a BR. He's newbie. He's a fuckface. + -

Abilities

Melee (0-1), explosion (0-100) + -

Damage Taken From Elements

  • Physical
    +0%
  • Holy
    +0%
  • Death
    +0%
  • Fire
    +0%
  • Energy
    +0%
  • Ice
    +0%
  • Earth
    +0%

Location

Carlin, town of BR's + -

Behaviour

Strategy

When u see him, u better run. Coz when u will see his face, You're dead. Hes really nice fuckface. + -

Loot

0-1 gp + -



I'm not sure any of that should be left on, "br prick", "he's a fuckface" "he's a really nice fuckface" etc. Perhaps it's "bad etiquette" to remove it, but in this case i deemed it applicable.

I'd appreciate you reconsidering your warning.


First of all.... I also do not appreciate vulgarities on my talk page, even in this context. I am fully aware of the content of his userpage before you cleared it.

You are correct, it should not have been on his userpage (just like it does not belong on my talk page, either), but clearing the content was not the proper thing to do. Even ignoring the aspect of etiquette, you can see by his page history, that clearing the page had no lasting effect. He simply added the information back. In the very least, you should have left a message on his talk page, asking him to remove or re-word it. If he did not fix it in a timely manner, then you should have asked an admin to get involved.

I did not intend to upset you, but I wanted you to inform you of how to be more helpful in the future.

-- Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 12:54, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

About the new templates adjustment

Heya White, first of all, good work on adding the new templates. They look somewhat what I thought, but I can get used to it, it seems practical.

You have mentioned somewhere that it is a tiresome exercise to edit to include the new template, so I'm volunteering to add in as much as I can. All I need, though, is to know what to change in the code. I haven't seen any clear diference at all while seeing the new Distance Weapons templates.

Thanks in advance,
-- Maverick the hunter Maverick the hunter 09:57, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Hey Maverick. The only thing I changed on each of the items pages was to remove the old template that was beneath the infobox ({{distance}}, {{legs}}, {{helmets}}, etc.). That's the only change that needs to happen to each item page.

What makes the list show up is creating the new list templates Template:Distance Weapons List, Template:Legs List and Template:Helmets List, so far. I made the Infobox Item template smart enough to detect if the appropriate list template exists, and if it does, then it shows up.

Concerning the appearance of the new list, once it is fully implemented, it will be reasonably easy to change how it looks. If you have any suggestions for making it look better, please let me know. I am not a graphic designer and I am always open to suggestions.

-- Nullo metro compositum est.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:04, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


So, all I have to do is remove the


in the page, same with the armors and etc?

-- Maverick the hunter 11:43, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Yup, that's basically it. I try to keep things as simple as possible  :)

-- C'est la fin des hericots
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:53, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Equips_Set

I don't know what was actually changed (I believe it has to do with the new "template" for items), but it seems there is now a bug with Equips_Set Template (you can check on your own character information). Any ideas on how to fix it?

··  ¤|¤ Master Player  Talk ¤|¤ ·· 17:03, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Nevermind, it was a typo made by Maverick the hunter on Blue Robe page. Fixed now :)

··  ¤|¤ Master Player  Talk ¤|¤ ·· 17:09, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Doh. Sorry about that.

-- Maverick the hunter 17:19, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Just to let you know

Hey White, me and Pudd Knight did a major combo of edits in the Wiki just now (and for the past couple hours.. at least), and we added the items template in nearly most of the pages that didn't have anything (that being all the pages in the Clubs, Swords, Tools and Axes. We added and resorted most of the information in there, including quest spoiling among others. Pudd even created one of the new template-like pages you did create about the Boots page and resorted the alphabetical order in there.

We are also adding it to mostly all of the categories included in the Items template, also adding new templates to be displayed. It's taking us a lot of time, but we'll eventually get around it. :)
-- Maverick the hunter 18:56, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Just to add, Maverick added Light Sources too, and I added Rings.

And .. ufffff.. it's easy, but alot, there're many pages missing the template {{Items}}. I'd like also to call here editors for help, adding to pages that don't have it, on the end of their pages add < noinclude >{{Items}}</ noinclude >

I saw that addon itens, containers, decorations etc, miss it. Also White, It would be nice to edit the infobox templates of wands and rods to add the lists.. I think I was about to say something else but I just forgot.. we'll keep editing it tomorrow probly.. tired now ^^

Edit: I remember now what I had to say, maybe you could use the same method to add lists to creatures infobox? It would use the primary category maybe (since many monster have several diferent categories) what do you think?


-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 19:38, 28 March 2007 (PDT)


Yeah, I saw that. Thanks guys.

Yes, Pudd... Next was going to be something like this for creatures. That's what made me want to do this to begin with, but it turns out that items were easier, so I started there.

About the {{items}} template, it would be best to eventually remove that, too. Ideally, the Infobox template should be the only thing on the page, but because of some current limitations (maybe just limitations in my own knowledge), that can't happen yet. I'm trying to work out a few things, so keep an eye out for them.

-- Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 06:03, 29 March 2007 (PDT)


I through that too about item template, but just after we did those major edits, I had a ideia.. I just through that items template were added to most pages, but it's not, most pages DON'T have it, and I think it's a good template and makes the page looks better.

Then why don't add the items to the infobox_item page? It would add to all pages.. of course we'll have to remove many item template from pages to prevent double template, but I think there's much less pages with items than pages without it.. What do you think?

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:16, 29 March 2007 (PDT)


That's kinda what I was implying. I would say don't rush out and make lots of sweeping edits over it yet, but eventually, yes, That's what I had in mind.

-- Festina lente.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 08:39, 29 March 2007 (PDT)


Well, then let me know when you do it and we'll remove item templates from all pages and implement this idea.

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 16:15, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

outfits

I don't know where else to suggest this, so I'll do it here since your character page is the basis of most other people's.

There are templates for damage calculation, for rune making costs, etc. Wouldn't it be cool if there was a template to display which outfits you have on your character? Unfortunately, I lack the knowledge to make this myself. I did think about how the input could be though:

{{Template:Outfits|
# maybe the template could show which outfits you have via images
| sex = male
# standard outfits: only addons
| citizenbackpack = yes
| citizenhat = no
| huntergloves = yes
| huntercloak = no
# premium outfits + addons
| barbarianoutfits = yes
| barbarianwig = no
| barbarianaxe = no
# quest outfits + addons
| assassinoutfit = yes
| assassinheadpiece = no
| assassinsabre = no
|}}

The "sex" attribute would be necessary if the template would show which outfits/addons you have via images, like Pudd Knight does.


Mathias (profile, talk) · Favelets · Formulas — 01:55, 9 January 2007 (PST)

I have been thinking about this a little, but I am kinda stuck on it.

What do you expect it will look like? Just a series of pictures of the outfits you have gained? Would there be some "placeholder" image for outfits you have not obtained? Some fancy formatted table (which would end up taking a full page)?

I kinda want you to think about it a little bit, too, but I also am wondering what you kinda expected.

-- Magister Mundi sum!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 10:39, 11 January 2007 (PST)

Well, I just saw your outfits page and I must say I'm impressed. This is a perfect visualisation of what is needed for a certain addon, plus it displays the image :) What I was thinking is something like you did there, but then even more user friendly by putting it all in a template. You could write...

{{Template:Outfits/Summoner Outfits|
| apefur = 10
| honeycomb = 35
# etc, you get the point
|}}

...which would display one of those fancy tables with all required items. In the above example, I'm talking about a template for a full outfit, which would include all items needed to get the outfit and all addons for that outfit. My suggestion would be making separate templates for each outfit/addon. Those templates only include how many of which items are needed, and are based on another template which creates the tables based on the calculated numbers.

I do realise this sounds like a lot of work though :) So don't worry, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

Mathias (profile, talk) · Favelets · Formulas — 02:12, 21 January 2007 (PST)

I think that is do-able, but pretty complicated. I'll try to find some time to work on it this week.

-- Labra lege
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 11:17, 22 January 2007 (PST)


Alright, I finally got around to making some of those templates:

I didn't do more than that. Most of the other outfits and addons should not have templates like this, since they only require one kind of item, or only one or two items. These templates only apply to outfits and addons that require a large number of items.

-- Ecce potestas casei
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 09:00, 7 March 2007 (PST)


I'd like to add some more templates I made this morning:

I added new base and called it base2 so that it will use Addon 1.gif pictures. It is the same as base just with this little correction. And, btw, preview picture is not good in Assassin Outfit template as it uses base for template, and template:base shows addons, not outfits. I think it should be made another base for showing outfits.
 Djomla 
 Talk   Contributions 


Thanks for doing that, Djomla, but it was really unnecessary to make ones for the Druid Paw addon, or the Citizen backpack addon... you only need to collect two different kinds of items for these. I won't delete them, but it would probably be best to only make these templates for outfits/addons where you need to collect at least 3-4 different kinds of items.

-- Omnis Minervae homo Petronius.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 07:27, 26 March 2007 (PDT)


Well, I saw your comment ("Most of the other outfits and addons should not have templates like this, since they only require one kind of item, or only one or two items.") after I added these templates, so I won't add more "easy-earned" addon templates. I'll add some more temps tonight.
 Djomla 
 Talk   Contributions 


Awesome! Thanks!

-- Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 12:19, 26 March 2007 (PDT)


Here they are:

I changed a little bit your Assassin Outfit temp to add appropriate image, and than figured out that there was no need for adding base2 as image can be changed without it, but, who will change all that. Keep it as is :) p.s. If u think there should be more temps, just tell, I'll made them.
 Djomla 
 Talk   Contributions 


Thanks, Djomla! These templates don't seem to be used very much yet, but I think it is very useful to have them.

-- Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 05:46, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


Heh, I added this one too:

I think there should be a page with all templates. I know there is page for unused temps, but haven't find one for all. Btw, visit my page, I use some of these: User:Djomla/Outfits
 Djomla 
 Talk   Contributions 


Sounds good.

I was planning to make a page that listed all of them:

Template:Obtained_Outfits

Go ahead and make it there if you like. Otherwise, I'll do it later.

-- Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 12:08, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


I've made pretty much work tonight: made the page, and Assassin temps moved to Male Ass~ temps, and removed gender from them. Pls see my contributions page. I'll add female temps later, don't have much time now :p
 Djomla 
 Talk   Contributions 

Mysteries

Is there a page about mysteries in this wiki? (With mysteries I mean things like Colossus in Kazordoon, GM Island, how to talk to Arkhotep etc.) I haven't found one and it would be nice to have one :)
Art Featherpitch, the seeker of mysteries


No, there is not a page about mysteries in Tibia yet. The closest thing I think we have in the quest spoiler for the Serpentine Tower Quest... it is incomplete, and there is an ongoing discussion about it on its talk page.

I think I would be a little cautious about making such a page. It would be great to have that information on the wiki, but since I'm sure all of the information it might contain would be considered quest spoiling, it needs to be done carefully.

Maybe the page could be exclusively "Unsolved Mysteries".... then as soon as any confirmed information is discovered, that particular item is moved to its own quest page/spoiler (like the Serpentine Tower Quest).

-- Feles mala!
--  Whitelaces †  Talk †  -- 05:32, 30 March 2007 (PDT)


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