The reason this didn't update at first is (I believe) because Wikia's server is slow to update the links. Usually there is no need to upload again, it should update by itself. -- Sixorish 02:57, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

All right. I wasn't sure what the problem was, because I had opened the page about an hour and a half prior to editing, went to get some food, came back and noticed it was still 'missing' and viewing source of the image gave a 404 error when viewing it before and after. I simply figured the July 2008 version was somehow faulty, but it appeared when I reverted to the December 2007, so I switched back because it was of better quality. Did the original error occur because nobody had viewed the file (recently) or had it somehow not been updated since July 2008, or was it just giving temporary errors? Thanks for the pointer, though. --Kharzad Ironfist 03:05, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know of the precise technicalities, but judging past experiences with images I would suspect it was a temporary server problem (or just a delay and no problem at all). The 404 error doesn't sound normal but I feel confident to stand by my reasoning.

I suspect the 404 was because you were fed a link to the new image but the server hadn't moved it to that appropriate URL - they had it scheduled for some time in the future (e.g. when the server load is more manageable) but your revert forced it to update, with no regard to its schedule. That's just my assumption, though. -- Sixorish 03:17, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

About Animal Activist Achievement

Hello, im working in cleaning the Achievements Talk Page and i will archive some topics. About this achievement, you said that the spoiler its incomplete and i wanna know if you fix it, found the missing requeriment, or its still missing. Thanks
Sez The Withe 13:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've completed everything currently listed in the spoiler and don't have the achievement, so I'd say there's still a requirement of some sort missing. Kharzad Ironfist 13:40, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, you already did mission 5 of In Service of Yalahar Quest? Maybe its needed...
And please, can you tell me what is your progress in The Shattered Isles Quest and The Ice Islands Quest?
Sez The Withe 15:38, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I have completed mission 3 of the Shattered Isles Quest and mission 4 of the Ice Islands Quest. I haven't set foot on Yalahar except in test servers, so perhaps that quest is needed. Maybe curing the dogs in mission 5 of the Ice Islands Quest is the key, not painting the seal in mission 3. Kharzad Ironfist 16:04, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Banishments Page

First, thanks for answering me! And if you hate use other's ppl talk pages, you can leave a message! i check my talk page all the time.
Second, yes, i'm wrong, there is no duplicated info. But anyway, i really feel is not necesary to make a page when the content can be on the main page of banishments. In that case, as i said on beeja's page, you can put redirects on the single pages like this: #REDIRECT [[Banishments#Notation]] and when a player search for "notation" it will be redirected to the banishment page, notation section. if you do this, you will have only 1 page instead of 6. And it's a little confuse confuse modify the banishments article because there are not links to the sub-pages, so you must open other tab, search the other article, and then modify. What do you think? » Sez ~ Talk « 00:10, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

If you think that it would make more sense to have all of the content on one page, then feel free to copy the contents of the individual pages onto Banishment and change the other pages to redirects. Transclusion is a fairly standard process and is intended for large pages that can stand on their own or be portions of a larger page. Maybe the articles are better suited on one page with redirects to each section. They were on separate pages when I edited them and I saw no reason to change them. At the moment, they lack links back to Banishment, so you have a valid point. Like I said, if you think it makes more sense to have all of the content on one page, than go right ahead and change it. I don't think it matters too much either way. --Kharzad Ironfist 00:27, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

A Wrinkled Beholder/Transcripts‎

I am curious as to what you were trying to accomplish on A Wrinkled Beholder/Transcripts‎. It seems you wanted to be able to link to a specific line in transcripts. If so this does not work the normal way on a wiki (normally one would add the tag <a name="foo">link</a>). Usually we do this with headers so ==header== would let you link to User_talk:Kharzad_Ironfist#header. On some pages it is not possible or feasible to to this so you can use the normal html header tags <h1></h1> - <h6></h6>. I tested these on the transcript page and they do not work as is, but i think this was a problem before and we found a work-around for it.
If what i just said has nothing to do with what you are trying to do then you can just delete this. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 05:06, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized after I made that edit comment that I was completely mixing up my wiki tags. My goal was to add invisible sections to the page, something I (eventually) tried accomplishing with anchor tags and a bit with the level two header. In theory, DPL can be used to show content within a specific section of a page (e.g., everything under #excalibug--what each NPC says about excalibug) for all pages in a category. I figured that would be quite a useful thing to do, but I couldn't get that DPL example to work at all, so I have a feeling the problem lies with the transcript infobox. --Kharzad Ironfist 06:28, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Upon further review, it seems that the DPL example can only be used with true section headers (not anchor tags) and probably not within the infobox template, so it is not at all practical to apply it to transcripts. --Kharzad Ironfist 06:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Achievements Table

Dear Kharzad Ironfist,

Please take a look at Achievements Table. I used your idea on Talk:Achievements to put the achievements in a table, because I liked it. I also made a small template to fill in the stuff, because I thought it would be easier to fill in the info this way. Since you brought up this idea, I want to ask you if the result is like you intended it to be. I will add some achievements now, to see how it looks like when the page gets bigger. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 13:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Allusions Reply

Honestly I had more then one reason to revert the page back to its previous state, you said more then 6 months of data was lost but the history for the page says otherwise.

I looked over the history quite a bit, and over those six months other then a few reverted vandalisms there was no real significant changes other then the two edits you made to reformate page and remove a lot of its content.

I disagree strongly with you removing most of the allusions, as even a partial allusion has merit, and its not for you decide what is an allusion, this is a wiki after all and its suppose to be comprehensive listing of information, be it a bit sloppy at times.

Although the page looks a lot nicer its lost a lot of its user friendliness as far as updating it goes, since it requires use of codes instead of the == to make a new section.

The fact of the matter is YOU don't decide what is an allusion and what is not; we ALL decide and edit the Allusions to reflect our own ways of looking at them. Just because you overhauled the page doesn't mean you own it.

So please re-add those allusions you so hap-hazardously discarded, or I will go about re-adding them into your newly formatted page myself.



You seem to be implying double standards for editing policy (you can dictate what constitutes an allusion, a good edit, and easy to edit, but I can't?) and you apparently have still not looked at the allusions's talk page, despite having it mentioned numerous times in my previous comment.

I don't recall removing most of the allusions. In fact, I posted my reasoning and a list of changes to be made a full two weeks before I changed the page. In that time, it was completely unopposed. In the past six months, it was completely unopposed, in fact, your rash editing without consulting the supposed 'community' is more of an example of what you consider haphazard editing. If you had looked at the talk page, you would have seen this, as well as a rationale for the removal of several items falsely classified as allusions. I did not remove anything that was a true allusion by the definition of the word. When reviewing the page, I applied four criteria:

  • 1) the reference must meet the definition of an allusion (most removed 'allusions' did not meet this criterion)
  • 2) the reference must be verifiable on an external website (it can't be an allusion if there is nothing shown for it to allude to)
  • 3) the reference must make sense (see: Occam's Razor, some common sense, and an actual connection)
  • 4) the reference must actually exist in-game (the connections between Tibia and the real-life example must exist in both media)

I believe these criteria are practical and rational in applying a uniform standard to a page to make it one of quality and incorporate it into a true article as opposed to a list.

In case you missed the list on the talk page that I have linked to several times, I'll re-post it here and point out which criteria the supposed allusions fail to meet. There is a detailed rationale on Talk:Allusions for each of these, I don't know if I've pointed that out or not.

  • Ferumbras (3,4)
  • Frodo's Sword -> Bright Sword (2,3,4)
  • Nar Gor -> Nargor(2,3)
  • Bartholomew Roberts (1,3)
  • Mount Etna -> Ethno Coat(1)
  • Dune - Darama (1,3)
  • I, Robot -> I, Ghoul (1,3)
  • Behemoth (1)
  • Vampires/Bats/Garlic (1)
  • Roc Feather (1)
  • Medusa (1)
  • Efreet (1)
  • Marid (1)
  • Monkey Island 1 (1,2,3)
  • La Vendedora De Rosas -> Crazed Beggar (3,4)
  • Gone With The Wind (1)
  • Metalocalypse (1,3)
  • Topsy-Turvy (1)
  • Iron Maiden (1,4) (Has since been re-added, though it is not an allusion)
  • Rage Against the Machine (1) (Has since been re-added, though it is not an allusion)
  • Dead is the new alive (2,3)
  • Relic Hunter (3,4)
  • Hellsing (1,3)
  • Captain Kurt -> Kirk (3)
  • Castlevania (2) (Has since been re-added, and is an allusion)
  • Ceiron the Elf (2,3)
  • Chrono Trigger (1,2,3,4)
  • The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (4)
  • Qapla' -> Kaplar (1,3,4)
  • Yakchal (1)
  • Gree Dee (1)
  • Klaus Badelt (1,2,3,4)
  • It is a Good Day to Die (2,4)
  • Munster (1)

As you can see, 73% of the supposed allusions failed to meet the dictionary definition of an allusion, so they simply do not belong on the page. Before making inaccurate claims, tempered by not-so-thinly veiled insults, I would take a look at the definition of "allusion" and the allusions's talk page (I don't know if I've mentioned that, yet). So sorry if I don't share your opinion that I was rash and thoughtless in these edits, but I fail to see any reason to capitulate to online threats that are completely baseless. --Kharzad Ironfist 02:42, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

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