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Can i ask where you found message about introducing medusa as a creature in update 8,5? Tazi


It says in the new feature article [1] Jan: After a small chat with the folks from the content team, we decided that a Medusa would be really cool to have. The Medusa is a creature originating from Greek Mythology, but various adaptations have found their way into many a fantasy Game, and I think it's high time for a Tibian version, so on we go., I don't if this helps you Juan Ariel 20:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


Oh thanks. I didn't see it yet. Tazi


Hi, :) I just thought I would tell you that changing such pages like Medusa Shield to add monsters that may drop such items (which arent in game yet) shouldn't be changed until the update is released. beejay 12:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


Whats wrong with having the monsters organised by how they have been changed? I realise that "reduced", "improved" and "balanced" aren't the best suited names but, people like to know which creatures have been improved and which have been made worse, and the way I did it made this easier to find. beejay 14:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


Cormaya Dwarf Cave

Hey there. Why do you think that 'Cormaya Dwarven Cave' is a wrong name? 'Dwarf' is a noun and 'Dwarven' is the adjective (just like in the name of Dwarven Shield to name just one example). Is the caved named 'Cormaya Dwarf Cave' on a sign or in a book? I personally think that the previous name is perfectly fine. Drekky 23:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


Dwarven reffer to objects like: Dwarven Shield, Dwarf Armor, Dwarven Legs... Dwarf reffer to monsters: Dwarf, Dwarf Geomancer... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaminsky (talkcontribs). Remember to sign your comments!


According to that rule it should be called 'Cormaya Dwarven Cave' because a cave is an object. Not a creature.
Adjectives (which 'Dwarven' is) can refer to both objects and creatures.
'Dwarf' is named so because it has to be a noun; adjectives can not be on their own (unless they take on a noun's role, as in certain proper names). However, according to English grammar the name 'Dwarven Soldier' would be absolutely correct (because it is an adjective-noun phrase). Instead, CIP decided to name them 'Dwarf Soldiers' (my guess is because it is a Dwarf (with a subtype of:) Soldier - just to differentiate between different types of Dwarves; I want to note that although I'd like to state that CIP made a grammar mistake by naming the creatures this way, I won't. At least for the moment; I am not sure.).
I think that the usage of a noun 'Dwarf' is incorrect here because: if a noun is being described it should be an adjective, it can not be a noun-noun phrase as far as I know (in the name in question 'Dwarven' describes the 'cave' (adjective-noun phrase) which is located on 'Cormaya'.) Drekky 00:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


I believe when it is plural of a dwarf (in tibia) it is dwarfs, try and find that book in the beregar library (it is the only book there), it says "dwarfen" referring to more than one dwarf. beejay 01:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Well, actually, there seems to be a consensus regarding the spelling. 'Dwarfs' is usually used when refering to real-world dwarfs (as in a person who is markedly small) or Dwarf Stars, whereas 'Dwarves' is more often used used while refering to mythical creatures (to cite the popular sources: Etymology of 'dwarf' on Wikipedia and Etymology of 'dwarf' on New World Encyclopedia, although British English favours the 'f' spelling and evidenced in the Encyclopædia Britannica). The inconsistency in-game may be a goof, or it may be intentional, as Beregar was apparently founded by a different tribe of dwarves, using different spelling, or it may have forked at some point in time. But I don't think that the spelling of different forms of the word 'dwarf' is the question here. The problem is that 'Cormaya Dwarf Cave' suggests that the cave itself is a dwarf - very small. I've slept over this issue and although I agree that we don't have to use 'dwarven' per se (even though it is a very elegant, proud and distinguished form of the word, one that dwarves might use themselves) but we have to use a correct, possesive form (i.e. "Cormaya Dwarfs' Cave," "Cormaya Dwarves' Cave" or "Cormaya Dwarven Cave" to note that the cave belongs to, or is full of dwarves as opposed to 'Cormaya Dwarf Cave' which tells you that it is just a very small cave) because the one used now is simply semantically (and possibly grammatically) incorrect. Drekky 11:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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