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How is that sword better than a mastermind shield and a SOV combined? this sword has a defence of 38 but and SOV and a mms combined are 72. and besides the page is too confusing, too much talking about magic swords and comparing it to the Avenger. i think it should be changed to be simpler and another page to be created as "sword weapons tips" or something.


lol

avenger has just higher def than MMS, but we must not forget that SOV does also have def... which means that SOV+MMS def is actually 35+48=83 def duh

who would change 83 def for a two-handed weapon with just 2 sttack points higher

It's really not worth it.... comparing SOV and avenger is just like comparing GS and BS

gonna remove the tip

Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 17:00, 19 December 2006 (PST)

ye good


weapon armor counts for nothing whn you have a shield on? -disaster monteiro


But only the highest defense value counts.. lets say you have a magic sword and vampire shield as shield, then the Magic sword defense (35), would count instead of vamp shield defense (34), thought, another thing to take into consideration is the shielding skill... -Fenrir


well weapon armor is like armor armor right? shielding is a totaly differen kind of defence and cant even be messured against each other



Hi. You guys should read the article on shielding and it's talk page.
Ryek AzagothTalkContributions 02:04, 23 January 2007 (PST)


After some research I just concluded: Avenger is the best weapon available on the game. It has the best atk (50) and the highest def (38). It's already known that only the highest defense value is counted, so sov+mms def = 37 (mms value)... Avenger value = 38. And for the shielding skill, you don't use it, you will use the swording skill for both attack and defense. It was already been tested by some veterans like Pskonejott. Also some guys that got Avenger on their hands tested too, so, why don't consider this the best weapon available?

-- † Pudd Knight †  Talk  Contribs  -- 00:19, 30 January 2007 (PST)

It may be true, and it may be not. There will be always somebody who thinks his tests prove it opposite, and it will lead edit-war. We should let everybody choose themselves what is the best weapon. --Ville-v 00:26, 30 January 2007 (PST)


It is true... Defense is not cumulative! See this thread on the Tibia forums: [[1]]

Mathias (profile, talk) · Favelets · Formulas — 23:57, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Then why on the page does it say it IS NOT the best? I know after update it "may" not be, but for now, it is. Morthanius 00:39, 17 June 2007 (PDT)


Ok, we need to figure this out. We know that the defense from a one handed sword is NOT added to the defense of your shield. However, the update will have some one handed weapons that have a listed defense, with an added "+" to it. It can be assumed that this plus is added on to your shield defense to make a total defense. However, the SoV currently does not have a "+" defense stat, therefore the defense of the Avenger is in fact higher than the SoV alone or + any shield MMS and lower. If a player has the SoV and the Great shield it will be equal defence, and if it is the Blessed shield it is one greater. However, The attack of the Avenger is still greater than the SoV. Futhermore, the Warlord Sword and the Magic Longsword are even better than the Avenger.

Therefore, we must end the debate with this agreement: Putting sword rarity aside, SoV is the best ONE HANDED sword, but the Avenger is better than the SoV, and the Warlord Sword is better than the Avenger, and the Magic Longsword is better than the Warlord Sword.

Or in other words: Magic Longsword > Warlord Sword > Avenger > SoV > (All 1H swords).

Any disagreements?

~ Innocent Hawk

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