why couldn't i find this page?? whatever, this should be added to front page soon, i think whether it is complete or not.--DM 14:19, 30 May 2005 (EDT)
i know.. Main page needs more sections.....
this should be added and the creature and spell list too --Lord de los Druidas 14:23, 30 May 2005 (EDT)
shops prices of rare items
Is there a point in adding Shop prices for items that would never be sold in a shop? Like Demon Armor or MPA? I don't think they would ever be sold in a shop except by foolish people, and should averaged prices that items are sold for between people be posted, like a Fire Axe can be sold to people for about 10-20k or something? --DM 13:48, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
I know...who the hell will sell a golden armor for 1500!!!???.... but information is information.....=P --Lord de los Druidas 14:48, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Why helmets,armors,legs and boots have in atributes "def" instead of "arm"? Def atribute is only for weapons and shield... And nobody found that little mistake? Taliboy
They should all be correct by now. With the new lists for the different item pages, it is easy to see which ones are different from eachother, and be easier to make them all uniform.
Separate Section For Quest Items?
There are several quests now where you get items through the process of completing the quest, which you then have to give up as part of the quest. Examples: the cookbook in Blue Djinn, the Report in Blue Djinn, Tear of Daraman in Green Djinn, Tons of stuff in Explorer Society and Banuta quest. These are items ONLY recovered and lost in the process of doing a quest (not the same as turning in a banana for a questie in Rook, for example). Should these have their own section? They're not really decoration, and not really valuables either..
--Digger Smith 08:54, 18 February 2006 (CST)
I went ahead and added a new page for Quest Items. The overview on the page should be a good description of what qualifies as a "Quest Item".
I'm going to re-organize the Items page.
Reasons I want to re-organize it:
- Prevent maintaining the lists in two places
- I find the items page hard to find things on... I always go to the item class pages now for info
- The categories on this page do not match the way the items have been organized on this site - there are currently two different sets of "item categories" that seem to be competing with eachother.
- I think the page is kinda ugly.
I'm toying with a couple ideas:
- Turning the Items page into a list of links (with very brief description) to the different "item class" pages
- Having the Items page include the different "item class" pages - result would be a full list of items on this page (listed like the item class pages), but they would be maintained on the sub-pages.
If you have any questions, just ask. I'll do a work up in the Playground if you guys need it.
If I don't get any responses pretty soon, I'll just pick one. It can always be adjusted later.
I'd preffer the 2nd option. So we can have a list alike the Creatures page, but with a small description of every class
--Kaio 11:33, 30 March 2006 (CST)
The biggest problem I see with the second option, is that the page would be VERY large. I'm not sure that would solve the problem of finding things.
I made two pages for what I was thinking:
I DEFINTELY like the first one better. It loads fast, is nicely condensed, easy to browse and find something, and then you can get more details on the different list pages.
I'm going to go ahead and use it. If someone can come up with a better way, please do! Make something in the Playground so we can all see it.
- I see the option you took was the best. I'm using it already in the Tibiawiki in spanish :P
- Regarding this, I added the wand and rods to the weapons table and changed the format to wiki table.
- Would it be a good idea to put all tables in the Wiki format?
- --Kaio 03:48, 2 April 2006 (CDT)
Thanks for noticing that Rods and Wands were missing. They are pretty important to have on this page, too.
About tables, I don't think it is necessary to use Wiki tables in templates, etc. It's actually better to use html tables in templates, because of the reduced load on the parser.
In content pages, I think you are correct. They should be done with Wiki tables. The biggest problem with that is just that most people don't know how to make them, and it might stop some contributers from making changes.
Overall, I'm pretty indifferent about which table code is used on content pages. I wouldn't go to any lengths to make all of the tables one or the other.
Nice job! New layout is much, much better. --Erig 23:39, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
What is the link coming into every items-page?
Does it have something to do with the new Mediawiki?
Mocca-Kahve 06:53, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
Galoy edited it and i tried to revert it but he was the only contributor...and i deleted it to fix it...but is not working :S
I think it's related to the new MediaWiki...because when Galoy edited it, it was blank..i deleted it..and its now working yet...
But, lets wait for Whitelaces...he is good fixing templates...
Wow, you flatter me. Anyway, it is not a problem with the template. There's more information at TibiaWiki:Bug_reports#Templates.
Showing item class
I think that it would be more useful if the weapons template will show also a number of hands (item class) used by the weapon: one- or two-handed (could be just a number 1 or 2). It will be easier than opening each profile. And also make use of links One-Handed_Sword_Weapons and Two-Handed_Sword_Weapons to be not only redirectors, but to show the proper weapon class.
--LoneWolf 18:26, 9 September 2006 (PDT)
I updated the weapons lists so that they say how many hands each weapon requires, but I'm hesitant to make all of the separate "xxx-Handed xxx Weapons" pages... every weapon change would require updating multiple pages, and it would probably be overlooked by some people, then the different pages would be outdated.
Maybe it's not such a big deal, but I'll let someone else make those pages if they want to try and keep them updated.
Delatus: How about making a category for Christmas items? Because we have a category for the party items, which is in an event, and christmas is also an event. Or we could make a category with "Event items".
Indeed, we should add "Christmas Items" category, as Delatus just explained.
I think it would be very appropriate to have another page for "Christmas Items".
-- Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere
-- -- 06:12, 11 January 2007 (PST)
In Tibia, there's a LOT of other objects, that are not considered as items because they are not movable, but should as well be explained in this wiki, my suggestion is to add an Objects list page, that could be divided into many categories, such as:
- Liquid Containers
- Item Containers
- Totems (like those in Tiquanda)
- And the like
- Fields (to specify which are walkable, fishable, etc.)
- Indoors Furniture and Miscellaneous
- Outdoors Furniture
Maybe some of these items should not be listed like that (different categories) and also if they don't provide any useful information to the players, only those that at least help so players can have a better general knowledge of the game, since players should be able to identify many different objects and know what are their uses, if any. We would need templates to list these objects, aswell as an infobox for them. With this, we would not only organize and categorize those objects that have already been explained in this wiki, but add a lot more that haven't been added.
Don't know if there has been talk about this before but here's my proposal.
Every item, should have at least certain attributes in it's infobox, such as:
- Flavor Text
- Location (example: Almost everywhere on Tibia)
- Usage (example 1: Use on this object to go up one floor level., example 2: Throw items on top of this item to erase them permanently.)
I haven't been eager to add much of this info, because to my knowledge we don't have standards (good infoboxes, templates) for this kind of information, it's just a bunch of articles with no organization at all.
I think that would be great. It would be moderately valuable to have these "extra objects" listed in the wiki, but I agree that we need to keep them separate from the current list of items to avoid clutter and confusion.
If you need me to make the infobox template for it, just let me know.
-- Re vera, potas bene.
-- -- 08:06, 19 January 2007 (PST)
It sounds great. I don't have spare time on this weekend, but I would be pleased to help to fill in many itens, maybe on sunday evening, if the templates are created I could add such itens and even more.
---- 11:47, 19 January 2007 (PST)
Well, I started the Objects page, I'm waiting for you all to contribute.
But.... there's some stuff that have to be thought of first. As for now, my concern is, there's a few containers (Bookcase and Wardrobe and maybe others) that are considered as items, they are found on buildings, they can't be bought nor moved, like Sarcophagus, should they be considered as items or just as objects? If considered as objects, they have to be removed from the items page.
Continue this talk here.
08:45, 21 January 2007 (PST)
The creatures listed in the dropped-by note should be written in singularis (eg. "Hero") and not in pluralis ("Heroes"). I'll wait for reactions before fixing this.
- The mispseller - 12:30, 4 May 2007 (PDT)
i agree art
07:11, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
I propose that we create some kind of new space on item pages for the history of that item, could be just anoughther bullet piont like "name" or "notes" or an entirly new box below the existing item template thing with its own hedders (ie: Introduced, Previous art files, Major changes) but these heading could all be combined into one small heading in the current infobox/template thing.
As it is some pages have history content in there notes section wich looks messy and isnt relevent at all, this quite offten leads to this information being removed from the wiki wich i belive to be abad thing. The more info the better
anyways lookingforawrd to some feedback
allso i dont mind doing the work on this but ill need some template help to begin with.
07:11, 23 May 2007 (PDT) Ps the same could go for monster pages
I agreed with disaster i would be great to know the item history
07:20, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
just a simple example of how it could look - my idea
22:41, 4 June 2007 (PDT)
Okay, I think it is time to consolidate this conversation and explore some more options before we make any of these changes.
Here are the options, as I see them, for including historical information in or about articles:
- Add another line to various infobox templates (Items, Creatures, etc.) probably under the "notes" section (as disaster suggested)
- Benefits: Easy to find, easy for wiki editors to contribute
- Drawbacks: Does not work for all articles, may unnecessarily clutter pages making them harder to read
- Add a sub-page for historical information (e.g. "Demon/History" would contain historical information about the creature "Demon")
- Benefits: Well structured, fairly easy to find, fairly simple for wiki contributors
- Drawbacks: When the primary article is moved or renamed, then the sub-page would need to be manually moved also.
- Add the word "History:" before the article name (e.g. "History:Blessed Shield" would be the history article for the "Blessed Shield")
- Benefits: Same as using a subpage, slightly easier to find in searches
- Drawbacks: uses a pseudo-namespace, which might cause problems in future versions of MediaWiki software, and can confuse users about what a "namespace" is.
- Have one separate article of historical information (as Clyde suggested on Talk:History)
- Benefits: Centralized location of information, thematic article
- Drawbacks: Not structured, will eventually result in one or more very large articles, can be difficult to find specific information.
Alright, these seem to be our options.... please offer your thoughts and ideas.
-- Fac ut gaudeam.
-- -- 05:39, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
im up for anything that involves history being added to pages, i lack the skills to construct any of the changes other than the one ive already shown. allthough i think a totally new page for history would be unneeded, allthough the subpage idea interests me somewhat, how about a separate infobox bellow the existing one containing all the historical stuff?
06:16, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
Hmmm... I'm not sure that a separate infobox below the existing one is a good idea... it seems that it would only compound the drawbacks of adding it to the existing infobox.
At this point, I think my preference is to use either the "/Subpage" or the "History:" prefix. If that's what we use, then it would be simple to add a link from the infobox (the link could only be visible if the history page exists for that article).
Any more thoughts? Anyone?
-- A posse ad esse
-- -- 06:22, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
in case u didnt notice the idea has been posted for weeks :p havent gotten alot feedback :-/. but i am fine with prefix or subpage, prefix is easyer to edit and easyer to create though
06:26, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
Hmmm... I'm still not completely sold one way or the other. Maybe subpages would be the better option, based on how we are using subpages elsewhere in the wiki.
I'll go ahead and make a prototype page, and we can see how it works.
-- Fac ut gaudeam.
-- -- 07:27, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
sounds good, on a side note we shoudl allso consider doing the same for monster pages.
07:29, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
Yes... once we get this figured out how exactly we are going to do it, this will potentially apply to all articles in the wiki. Hunting areas, Hometowns, NPCs, Creatures, EVERYTHING (that has an interesting history, anyway).
-- Nullum gratuitum prandium
-- -- 07:37, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
ive seen the example created but the page does not link to it at this point, is there anyway to work that into the existing template so that it will appear automaticly (if the page has been created)
23:03, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
Yeah, no problem. I was kinda waiting to see what people thought about the page first, but I'll go ahead and add a link to the template.
-- Fac ut nemo me vocet
-- -- 05:43, 6 June 2007 (PDT)
looks good :-), allthough the history link could be slightly larger
19:53, 6 June 2007 (PDT)
I feel subpages are the best mode and most in accord with the rest of the wiki. They would also eliminate the need for a larger page which i suppose would become quite cluttered. Certain pages such as specific items or creatures could simply incorporate history in the notes, if it is less content. I took the page of Rose Shield and added the history page, as an example for items. Here info of the past concerning the page are moved to /History, but the other content more relevant to the present stay in notes. Possibly a template could be made for history pages as they develop, including: image, name, flavor text, history; as can be seen on Rose Shield/History. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 12:01, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
I'm not sure I like this template....
First of all, it looks way too much like the actual item page. When I first came here, I was confused about what I was looking at.
My other complaint is that I think the history needs to be more free-form. I can't think of a good way to allow the flexibility that would make these history pages valuable.
Normally a template would be a great idea... but I don't think it works very well for this purpose.
I am still looking for more ideas about how these history pages should look.... more brainstorming is required ;)
-- ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant
-- -- 12:53, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
I was just having fun with the template, i do not expect most history pages would fall into that mold at all, particularly since if old images are shown, they do not easily fit into this template. A template would be nice if it could easily incorporate a few images, and be variable enough for the change in information, simply for being more unified. Modify, remove or improve it as you like. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 13:17, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
I totally agree... and I hope you didn't think I was attacking you or anything. Re-reading what I wrote, it sounds kinda harsh, and that's not what I intended at all.
Maybe we can make a smaller template... more like a "true" infobox that contains some really basic information.... but I still see problems trying to make the pages fit.
I really don't know. If anybody has some more ideas, we can try a few of them out and see what works the best.
-- Stultus est sicut stultus facit
-- -- 13:21, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
it would be nice if we decided on a ruff format for history pages so that they all look similar making them easier to read and to compare
18:49, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
Yeah... that's what we're talking about. Any ideas?
-- Braccae tuae aperiuntur
-- -- 05:25, 8 June 2007 (PDT)
well for now i think the long sword page is the way to go
07:49, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
i have added the history of a few pages and it does not yet show up on the page, is this a function carried out by your new bots or a bug?
07:29, 20 June 2007 (PDT) (edit) they now show up, so i assume its a bot function
No, you just needed to refresh the page. None of my bots have anything to do with it.
Next time, try forcing a refresh of the page and it should show up right away.
-- Fac ut nemo me vocet
-- -- 08:00, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
- Why aren't we using any sort of history template for all this?
there is a template of sorts ...
and i did refresh but my browser has some issues with cookies and past data
10:10, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
Because there is no good standard for the information that will be on these pages, it is very difficult to make a template to encapsulate it all.
I did make a small template for the brief heading. This way the heading is standard across the pages, and the template adds the correct category, so that does not need to be manually maintained.
I am willing to entertain other ideas, but I really wanted to get something standard in there for now, so that any changes we make later will be less complicated.
-- Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema.
-- -- 10:21, 20 June 2007 (PDT) i feel the templete currently in place is good enough. history pages are all going to be very diferent and i dont think a template (like items pages) wouldnt work
22:09, 20 June 2007 (PDT)
- Surely all we need is, Image - Article in question then history. Like the history template you already made somwhere. The image would be relevent either the item npc screenshot even if it's a concept like luring etc and article names then just History:INFO.
Weapons: Level Requirement
About the Level requirement of the weapons...
Some of them have like this on their look: "It can only be wielded properly by players of level X or higher."
As far as I know, when a player without the level requirement uses those weapons, they can still damage, but will do less than if he did with the normal level.
Does anybody knows how much damage is lowered? Maybe a sugestion...?
I'm waiting for your answer :)
--- Zephirdd ---
I was just wandering what this thing is on some weapons having +1 or -1
--- Knight Alloran ---
That's a good question... I wrote a short page to explain it: Defense Modifier.
-- Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
-- -- 14:45, 28 November 2007 (PST)
Prices of Items
If am not wrong, prices of weapons and items should be like "15000" gold and not like "15k" or "15k gp" cause that mess up with the loot gold ratio pages right? And if gp is the case can some one help me checking all the weapons and itmes prices am lazy lol.
Regarding the prices of items: With so many servers, and all of them having very very different prices for all items, even items that are extremely rare, I feel that it is pointless to have the 'Loot Value' section. I'll use one of the recent updates for an example. The person was offered 900k for his bloody edge so he updated it saying that that is the max price. On my world I strongly think that nobody would pay 900k for it.
The only suggestion I can give is we change the heading to say 'Best NPC Sellout' and list that. That way it eliminates the huge differences between servers prices.
Fire Assassin 18:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Where are we supposed to place those new fansite items? Should they have their own class, or is it just decoration?
20:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
They are decoration. I'd probably wait until they're added in-game so you know the exact name of the items. --Erig 22:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Link to external Trade Site?
Hello people of Tibia-Wiki. I don't know if this the right place to ask, but i have made a new Website under http://www.tibiabazar.com On this site you can search the Official Trade Forums for items. As erig does with the sttaitics, i load the forum-data into my own database to search them. Now i was thinking it would be really great if people have the possibility to browse the items on Tibia_wiki and have the possibility to click on a link "Find this Item on you world" The link then goes to: http://www.tibiabazar.com/index.php?query=soft%20boots&&board_id=9&abgeschickt=1 (I will make this link more easy) and shows all Softboots for example. What do you think? Is this something we could work on together? The site will have some more features in the future like E-Mail notofocation and search for similar items (mpa=eplate and so on). --Taghor 11:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- As helpful as it sounds, I don't think it will work, getting players into the habit of thinking every site they visit is viable and safe will only cause them issues in the future. Not only that, but the wiki is meant to be globally informative, not limited to any one server, which is why the "Value" parameter is little-to-no worth and will likely cause future edit wars because "X is cheaper on Y server".
Having info on *every* server here will be too much to maintain and will cause people to sign up an account purely to change the prices as they see fit. and having unfamiliar external links will not help a person in the long run. It is best to keep price lists to official world boards, at least in my opinion. -- Sixorish 06:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Do they deserve their own page? I don't know how they appear in-game, do their names appear as Fire Spike Sword, etc? or just "Spike Sword"? If it's just "Spike Sword" I'd think have all enchants combined to one page. -- Sixorish 06:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
They appear as "You see a fiery spike sword (stats). (weight)." now, therefore I do think they deserve their own pages.
The images that represent their item class on the overview page should be more classic representations of those classes, (not necessarily the strongest/best/rarest).
These are a few of the items that I believe should represent their classes:
- Thunder Hammer - (clubs)
- Great Axe - (Axes)
- Wooden Chair - (Furniture)
- Doll - (Dolls and Bears)
- Ham - (Food)
~Sokwe 05:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I can agree on some things needing a change, but they have some pretty tough competition, you want to make them stand out so people can tell at first glance that it's an axe, great axe doesn't make the most distinguished axe if you ask me..
Axes: - /File:Stonecutters Axe.gif/
Other than that, I think or would be better for light sources, and or would be more suitable for valuables..
I like dolls the way it is, but if it changes, don't you think would be more suited?
I agree on wooden chair, not sure about the ham though, do you think the different color makes that much difference? -- Sixorish 11:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I got two times legs on the site, is it a bug from the last updates?
No that was my fault, copy/paste >.> I've fixed it. -- Sixorish 08:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm in favor of that. I dont even know what the current weapons representing the classes are called...
Temahk 23:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
About New Images for Weapon Categories
I'm sorry Bennie but I must totally disagree with your changes to the Weapon Images. Showcasing the greatest of each category gives lower levels whom are viewing the wiki for the first time something to aspire for, like:
"WOW!!! What’s that cool looking axe??? It’s much better then mine, could I use that one day??? O.O *stares*", all be this a bit of an exaggeration.
I think the images should be reverted back to their previous state, and only altered when a stronger item of the category comes along. ^_^
I would personally enjoy beating down a cyclops with a flower, just for the irony. *cough* In general though i do think the namesake item for each class (i.e. sword, club, axe, ?distance?) should be the picture. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 22:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Personally its not as though the picture is there alone, if it was you would be right and a lot of people would be scratching their heads as to what it was, but since the title 'clubs' is right next to most people will know what kind of weapon the sprite is.
I'm sorry but I have to take a "If it ain’t broke don't fix it." stand on this one. ^_^
after reading someone talking about putting 1h and 2h on the weapons i thought of a great idea! how about a item class made of how ever many anyone can think of such as bronze silver and gold class as in bronze would be rookgaard items and newer items on main and silver class would be items suck as belted cape,blue robe,dragon shield..... gold such as mpa,boots of haste,soft boots, vampire shield... catch my drift? these also can be made and expanded into 1-5 class's 5 being rare high level items with also a level guide on level 10-20 should have class 2 or 3 and level 40-50 should have atleast class 3 if not 4!
that's all i got in my brain for now think about this system if we work as a team we might make this work :D
I don't think this would be suitable. It would be another system entirely dependent upon what is economically available, which varies a lot between servers. The new-server level 40 typically won't be able to afford 'average level 40 items', and the old-server level 40 will have no problems affording things outrageously expensive. Unless you mean by level requirement: but every weapon which requires a level already has this.
No he wants a 'weapon rank', the superior weapons being gold, etc.. -- Sixorish 06:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
It's an idea but those are the only two blessing items currently in game right? I think that the Rune Emblems is an idea but they are currently listed under Decorations, which I think they are ok with. Beejay 20:13, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
Looks good, Beejay! I think the Carrot, or the leather whip would suffice for the image. :)
19:45, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
I was trying to think of which you would kind of expect to see being used for taming and immediately started to think of donkeys walking after carrots.. Although you do see whips being used to tame creatures as well. Which do you think is better? Beejay 20:13, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
Honestly, I think the leather whip is best, sitting next to the obsidian knife on the page, it looks less awkward.
20:22, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
"Contests Prizes" should be "Contest Prizes"~. foggy 15:50, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
Changed, thank you. Beejay 16:23, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
I also think "Plants, Animal Products, Food and Drink" should be changed to "~~ and Drinks". What do you think? foggy 17:23, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
Plants, Animal Products, Food and Drink
Is there any reason these item types are being grouped under Plants, Animal Products, Food and Drink?
Food and drink are related. Plants and animal products not so much. I mean, obviously there isn't a unifying concept between them or the higher class wouldn't be a list of the constituents.
What I would propose, but I'm more than happy to have anything else:
- Food → Consumables
- Liquids → Consumables
- Creature Products → Other Items
- Plants and Herbs → Other Items or Household Items