Malvera is missing from this list; every time I try to add it, it drops in the "Infobox|world" text and breaks the table. Could someone who wikis better than I add Malvera here, and tell me how you did it? ;)
It's a pretty small thing and easy to overlook. On the Malvera page, it needed to be changed a little:
Needed to be changed to:
The Malvera page was made before the list template was created. If you come across something else like that, you can usually see what is missing by comparing the source to other similar pages that appear correctly.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 22:37, 30 January 2006 (CST)
On an additional note, while it is not innappropriate to post questions like this on the this talk page, since this question truly applies to more than just the Game Worlds page, it could also have been posted to the talk page of any of the TibiaWiki:Administrators. I don't feel bad answering questions on other admin's talk pages, and I'm sure they would answer questions on my talk page, too.
No criticism intended, just letting you know your options.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 22:44, 30 January 2006 (CST)
Wouldn't adding records (most people online) be a nice idea? I've something to do ;)
The problem is that I'm not realy good at templates, where I can put the records? (if the idea is applied)
Edwin de waterman 16:42, 7 March 2006 (CST)
What do you mean, exactly? Adding links to Tibia.com pages that have those stats? Or are you suggesting copying the stats from the Tibia.com site to here?
I don't think that information is valuable enough to spend the time copying that information here, let alone spending the time keeping it updated. It wouldn't be too bad to add another link or two, as long as the template still "looks" good and doesn't get too cluttered or hard to read.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 07:32, 8 March 2006 (CST)
Well, it won't be so hard to update, since it dosent change so fast...
Awb ~*~Got any comment? Feel like talking? Come to my talk!~*~ 07:45, 8 March 2006 (CST)
It's not that it would be hard to update, its just that the information doesn't sound like it would be worth the time investment. The numbers could potentially change daily on the 70 different game worlds, and I just don't see the value of it. I know I wouldn't keep those numbers updated here, and duplicating that information seems pretty senseless, especially when it becomes outdated and people "forget" to updated it, or just don't take the time.
I guess I won't fight it too much, but my "professional" opinion is that it would be a waste of time. I think the smarter solution would be to add a link to the Tibia.com "who is online" page for the world. That page will always be accurate for max players online and such.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 09:31, 8 March 2006 (CST)
I checked 10-12 "who is online" pages for random gameworlds, and every single one that I checked had their "max players online" within the last week. My deduction is that the wiki would need to be updated approximately every 1 or 2 weeks for every gameworld. It really just doesn't seem worth it to me.
Nice idea, but it's just not very plausible.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 09:36, 8 March 2006 (CST)
I think you two didn't realy got what I ment, what I mean is: put a thing in the template that links to the who's online page (whit the records of that world)
Sounds good to me. Probably best to wait until the wiki "looks" are back to normal, but go for it! I might try something in a little bit if I see a good way to do it.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 14:26, 8 March 2006 (CST)
I updated the game world template. Feel free to change it if you think of a better way to do it. If nobody updates the list template before I get time, then I'll edit it also.
Ecce potestas casei
-- -- 14:43, 8 March 2006 (CST)
Can you also change the template and put "General Forum" and "Trade Forum" in the template? It seems a good idea to link that too. I can put the links on the world pages when I link to the who's online pages x)
I've noticed lately that users have been adding certain subjective information to the game worlds. My question to anyone who has an opinion is what is the extent of the information that can/should be allowed? In general things that have stuck are those above level 200, famous firsts, name allusion/derivation, advantages/disadvantages.
Other added things have been first person/group to do xx quest, get to main, get to xx level, first vocation, famous incidents, events, wars, and so forth. I believe there is reason for an established list of "permissible" things because some users have had controversy over what can stay on a world page.
Please state thoughts, opinions on what can/cannot be on a world page.
--DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 17:17, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
The best way to determine what belongs on the page is to first determine how the page is/should be used.
Here is a small list of ways that I think gameworld pages are/could be used (this is just my own opinion/observation):
- Someone wants to start a character on a different gameworld, and is trying to decide which one.
- Someone is looking for an elusive link to the "top 300" some kind of skill page for their gameworld (or some other link related to their gameworld).
- Someone is interested in some trivia or other information about a gameworld, and this information is not available anywhere else (etymology of the name, some history of the world, etc).
That being said, here's my opinion about what kind of information should be on a gameworld page:
- Very basic economy information ("equipment is very cheap, but runes are still expensive and hard to buy", or something generalized like that)
- List a couple of "big" events or things that happened on the gameworld (something mentioned on Tibia.com news, or something that impacted the wider Tibia community)
- Links to the Tibia.com pages about the gameworld, like there are already (maybe add links to Erig's pages for the gameworld)
- Maybe some other things that would be useful for a Tibia player reading the page.
These are things that I think should NOT be on the gameworld pages:
- List of all level 200+ (or any level for that matter)... click the "Top 300 experience" link! No need to put such a dynamic list in an encyclopedic article.
- "Most Powerful Guild" or anything like that... this information is extremely subjective, and only makes the pages targets for vandalism and flaming.
- "Lots of Powerabusers" or other similar statements... every individual's experience is different, and phrases like that are usually written by someone who was recently victimized and is more emotional than logical.
I hope this is the kind of thing you were asking for, DM :)
If anyone else has any ideas or suggestions, please post them.
-- Fac ut nemo me vocet
-- -- 05:57, 27 April 2007 (PDT)
This is exactly what i was talking about, and good examples too. The question still remains though as to remove other information which is not specifically helpful to perhaps a person considering a world to live on, or to find topical links about that world (i.e. forum, top skills). If all the extraneous information should be removed a hidden note should also be added stating generally what is/not allowed, as well as noting such categories on the Game World page. I am inclined to remove the other information, but if you (any reader) disagree please say so. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 13:38, 27 April 2007 (PDT)
IMO each game world should have these sections:
- Community Events - things which happen more than once, i.e like a birthday (not birthdays obviously, can't mention everyones name, lol), community-based events.
- Legends and/or Myths(?) - People who have obtained something other players haven't which is worth noting, i.e Calmera with Fleety and the Demon Legs, or items which are said to exist on a game world.
- Major-boss info(?) - The usual creatures which make people spam Game-Chat/Trade etc., i.e Ferumbras, Morgaroth, Orshabaal and Ghazbaran.
I think the level 200+ and level 300+ will get too annoying to maintain, so I'm considering removing them, the basic stuff like prices and etc. seem okay.
I also think the Template needs work, it looks a little plain and is hard to notice, perhaps add a background and add the links to the guild page on the template. as well as make the who-is-online link different, I was considering something like this but with a background (I'm hopeless at it, or I would have put one there)
User:Sixorish/Sandbox, in use here, it's just to put it all together, so the game worlds are similar rather than all over the place. What do you guys think? I don't know if the high-end boss history is worth noting but it seems OK to me, can change if necessary, or not use at all. - Sixorish 12:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't quite understand why there should be a list of level 200+, 250+, 300+, as this information is publicly available on tibia.com or erig.net. It's just a reason to create more edits. So those lists should go if you ask me.
As for the template you are suggesting, it looks pretty cool I guess, but people want to include what was looted from what monster, is this possible?
What if people want to list all kill dates? What if there curerntly is an ongoing war, should this be listed under "Server Notes"? What if, what if? There are so many variables, I don't think your current suggestion is suffice.
I made it a long time ago, the thing I was pointing to is the "characters level 200+ should not exist here", my template would make it too confusing to editors but I keep it there in case I get bored enough to play with it one day. -- Sixorish 08:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Player listing removal
I've begun removing general info not relevant to the wiki/anymore, such as 200+ lists, outdated stuff (demon legs assumptions after 8.2, etc.) and will continue later. If anyone gets bored enough to help I've already done top ->Calmera, and Solera because it was messing up the list. -- Sixorish 06:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree about removing the "players above level 200" etc but i don't understand why listings of the current highest level of each vocation should be, saw you removed it from Titania, i think they are quite usefull.
My main reason was because it would be too much to maintain, for example, the top person RP of Amera dies, a new person is top, wiki is out-of-date. Other than that, the info is available with complete up-to-date info on each vocation at erig.net. so I can't see why naming people would really be necessary.. -- Sixorish 17:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Why in the middle of the list there is the Silvera story? I don't think it fits there, that text could be in the Silvera page. --Tsai'Juliana 09:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone placed the text outside of the <noinclude></noinclude> tags. I've moved the story inside, it doesn't show up anymore.
I wonder if its posible to say the time of the server save for all the game worlds? Am interested in knowing them. Anyone got a clue where can you get this info and maybe add them to the wiki?
Kwigon the sharpshooter 10:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I've added all the server save times to the game worlds, except Nerana and Unitera.
15:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Could have saved yourself some work, Art. See my suggestion on Template talk:Infobox World. Ok, not really true, every gameworld page would still require a nulledit (or a long wait for the system to update it).
However, goob job.
I read this page a while after the comments are written and I am just wondering, why are Nerana and Unitera missing? Don't they have a server save? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 14:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Malvera has been fixed so the Rare Items column does not show up on the Game Worlds page.
I cannot fix Solera to get rid of the Spacing between Solera and Tenebra.
The World pages need a complete overhaul. They are all a mess.
Yuki Zou 09:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Since I also saw the spacing problem in a list on another list I am quite curious, what is causing the spacing? Is this an issue on the page before the spacing? Yes, most world pages are way to long, they need to get rid of some stuff. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 14:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The spacing problem was caused by the controversial template on Tenebra, which i removed since the issue is hopefully resolved by now. I am not exactly sure why it created a spaceu since it had noinclude tags, but that apparently was the problem. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 17:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
What should we do for the upcoming synchronization of server save?
I'm leaning towards eliminating the server save parameters as it will no longer be relevant.
-- Sixorish 10:07, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
I guess a note on this page telling of the server save time would suffice. Beejay 12:49, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
- I made the changes on Template:Infobox World/List to match Template:Infobox World/List2. Is there a need for the two templates and shall we just remove the parameters as the template takes care of it now? Beejay 14:49, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Sorting by date of creation
Hey guys I was wondering if we could change the world "creation" date format from month/date/year to year/month/date since when I try to order them they got sorted by month and not by year which is more interesting in order to check when was a world created and how the game worlds evolved.
It would change from May 13, 2004 to 2004/05/13
I think that would do the table to work more dynamically
Wut do u think?
OuuChh 19:15, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
Unified world template?
What do you guys think of defying a unified template for all game worlds to avoid missing information and disparities? I checked about a dozen game world pages, and quite a lot of them had different structures and different visual stylings. As they are all similar pages, shouldn't they have similar layout/template? (If you don't get what I mean, check out Honera, Antica and Furora and compare them.) Emilian Lightbearer (talk) 17:49, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
I agree they should use a unified template. Maybe merging highscores into Template:Infobox World.
I've also been thinking about outdated highscore and rare item information. We should consider only listing award items (fansite items, etc) that have the original owner name written on them, instead of all rare items that are always changing owner. Also, is it possible to make automatically-updating highscores using info from tibia.com? — Arkshi 18:19, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Further outdated information removal
Following the removal of "Rare Item" sections, I think we should also consider removing more outdated data for pretty much the same reasons. Basically, if we can't verify or keep it updated, I don't think it should be listed. I also think there's absolutely no reason to keep data that such as Highscores that is present on Tibia.com and will always be more precise there. In general, listing when something happened for the first time may be interesting (i.e. the first Orshabaal), but listing everything after that is pointless these days. Here is what I think should be removed:
Rare items and their owners.(done)
- Any kind of highscores (current max level, skills, etc)
- Dates when bosses appeared and were killed (or not), with the exception of the first time, if anything.
- Lengthy explanations about a specific guild which sound a lot like self-promotion.
Things I think we should discuss, review or remove:
- Advantages and disadvantages: Again, these can be summarized if you take into account the characteristics of the game world such as PvP Type, Battle-Eye from start or not, closed for transfer or not. We could even maybe use a template for this (since there are different combinations and they lead to different advantages and disadvantages). Whether a world is "open" or "closed", the amount of Power Abuse that happens in it and if it's "empty" or "full" is debatable and changes a lot.
- The first player to reach this or that level. Granted, this may be interesting, but nowadays it's absolutely impossible to track. Furthermore, as we move on with server mergers, this is even less important. We may decide to keep it up to a certain point where it mattered (meaning no character world transfers), but I'm not sure how we would verify that and prevent further additions.
Thinks I think we should keep:
- Etymology of the server's name.
- General points of interest, such as "fun facts" or links to active threads of interest to the community (e.g. projects that help new players).
- History about wars and how if affected the server. This is hard to verify and keep track of, but there's no other place where this information can be found.
I'm aware these changes would remove a lot of existing data, but in my opinion most of this data isn't useful the way it is now. And again, I'd rather have a page with only basic information than to have it completely outdated.