Talk:Administrator Team/Archive 1

Template for newcomers
As some wikia staff guy suggested here, we should make a template and put it on talkpages of new contributors (with red links of their talkpages in Special:Recentchanges. The link of the template is: Template:User Welcome. Please feel free to: edit the template to improve it, help the community by putting it on talkpages.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 21:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Broken..link is broken -- Sixorish 07:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No it's not! -cough-
 * Temahk - talk - contribs 07:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Sixorish/Sandbox2 - will require some more help pages, since there's not a whole lot on the wiki. -- Sixorish 08:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I would recommend that this template be put only on a user talk page that have made at least one edit, since it would be a waste of space to do it on inactive accounts, especially ones a year old or more. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 14:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course, but if you put it on a a talk page of someone you see in the recent changes he obviously made one edit or more (otherwise he wouldn't be there).

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 14:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Any particular reason why we use the subst? works fine without it.. Also, should we be signing our "comments" (meaning just the template) or just throw the template up there? -- Sixorish 05:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Bennie, i was more referring that it would not be a good idea to go through group of users and "welcome" every single one. Sixorish, subst will actually write in the code of the template in the talk page; without subst the talk page will call the template every time someone goes to that talk page. 'Subst' is easier on the server by not calling the template every time. As to signing, if you have to tell them something else, like correct a mistake, then sign. Otherwise it is not necessary, but your choice if you wish. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 18:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Is a "normal user" like me allowed/encouraged to post the welcome template on a user talk page?

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 10:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

@Sixorish, subst is really required I think. @Temahk, yes. I think every user has the right to welcome other users. Not if it's used for vandalism of course, but I don't think people would abuse it, probably only the more dedicated tibiawiki users will welcome others.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 13:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

New Logo
What do you think about the new TibiaWiki's logo?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 18:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's too small. It is 135px wide, but my monaco sidebar is quite a bit wider so it looks too small, because it doesn't really fill up the whole place it could fill up. But I understand incompatibility problems with other skins if it gets wider. So it should be ok now.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 20:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Revamp Hunting Places
I'm planning on revamping the hunting places. I want to fit every page about a hunting place in infobox, like items, creatures, objects, npcs already have. On the page Hunting Places there will be a list template (like the others) making it way easier to overview and stuff. When I have something finished I will post it here so you can reply and give feedback. Stay tuned :)

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 16:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I made the template (Template:Infobox Hunting Place) and tested the Dusalk's Troll Clan Cave on my test page. I know it is very crappy and has lots of problems, so please give me some feedback :)

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 14:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I really think you should remove that image. Can't see anything on it and it doesn't add anything. Just remove it. If needed, images can be added to the notes (using the gallery function).

I would change "City" to "Closest City" or "Nearest City", as hunting grounds tend to be out of town.

I would also change "Level" to "Level Range", as a hunting ground will never be for just 1 level.

The NPC list is pretty pointless, unless you state what purpose the NPC serves.

Maybe you could turn the monster names into images, so people can see what monsters they possibly encounter? Don't really know if this is helpful/wanted, it might "spam" some hunting grounds with a ton of images..

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 14:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback,
 * I know the image is bad, but I want to keep some kind of image. I was thinking, a map something would be in all different ways too large or not detailed enought for 64x64px. So what about putting in the image place an image of the monster which is most common in the hunting ground. So in the example a troll, in a dragon lair a dragon etc.
 * ok city is changed.
 * ok level is changed.
 * the npc list is not useless, it is good to know what npcs hang around in your hunting place.
 * in the quest infobox the monsters are also just names, not images. The problem comes when the monster lists in the old design are seperated into different levels/places. Do you put them into one list? That's actually too bad. I might noinclude the maps and seperate monster lists from the infobox and keep them on the page, as a compromis.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 15:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea of using the predominant creature in a hunting ground as the image, in part since there can be many maps and some are too large for that space. There may be some debate about what the predominant creature is, but that is not a big issue. You would have to put an image line in the template, rather than using the article name. To clarify, use "Local NPCs" or "Nearby NPCs" for the NPC line. I like the idea overall, but it may not look as good with the creatures list, which i think should stay as it is now. The template can be adapted in more ways to accomodate this. It would be a different style than all the others, but is ok as long as all Hunting Grounds have the same template. I will try out some templates to show what i mean, when i have time... --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 15:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Consistency would be nice, however in my opinion some things are better left freely-written (in that sense, without being stuck in a box) Things like level ranges, location etc. are fine in it, but things that small wouldn't even be worth a 100% width table. Personally I was thinking general information in a small box like you find on many Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia:Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within for example (but the image in it would be degrading) -- Sixorish 12:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Very good solution sixorish! I think it's worth considering. DM, I'm eager to see your ideas too. For now, we have all the time we want so we shouldn't rush a decision.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren;  &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 14:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Using the template used on Wikipedia (the FF thing), this is the result: User:Temahk/Sandbox5.

Can't really include more information in the box in the right, unless we widen (?, make it more wide) it. Image can be included in the box of course, but I don't think it adds that much to it..

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 08:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That's a lot better, thanks. I'm gonna improve it a bit more and then try it out. Because we now have one header for creatures and one for maps. But like in cyclopolis you want to have a seperate header for every level with creatures and maps. I think we need to keep that, even if it gets quite long.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:purple; color:yellow; font-weight:bold" title="Talk page of Bennie"> &curren; Talk &curren; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:white; color:green; border:orange; font-weight:bold;" title="Administrator Page"> &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 13:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I ripped a template from the real wikipedia (the infobox bridge) and tried some things. Take a look here. Please give feedback/improvements. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 15:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Notes really should not be in the table, hardly readable.

What about hunting grounds with multiple floors, how does that work with images?

(bit negative maybe, but we want perfection, no? ;))

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreeing with Temahk on the notes, the template is much too thin to have the notes in it (partially or whole, a short summary would work in it I guess). The notes are basically everything the page needs, putting it in a small box to the right will make the page seemingly empty and/or extremely annoying to read. -- Sixorish 15:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki Upgrade - 1.13
We recently upgraded to MediaWiki 1.13; theres a forum @ wikia to report bugs relating to it; w:Forum:MediaWiki 1.13 upgrade. There's a few problems with the wiki: There might be more problems; not quite sure. Post here if you notice anything -- Sixorish 13:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Special pages has been changed (probably intended, not sure)
 * Minor edit box when editing is gone
 * Template:Equips Set (maybe more?) is not working as intended.

Yes, this morning it changed. The special pages intended to be like that. Doubleredirects fixes automaticly and check this new special page out. template equips set hasn't changed due to the mediawiki upgrade, it was already bugged before (I mean the fact you see a link under it saying #ifeq:yes). What do you mean with that minor edit box thing? I don't understand.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:purple; color:yellow; font-weight:bold" title="Talk page of Bennie"> &curren; Talk &curren; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:white; color:green; border:orange; font-weight:bold;" title="Administrator Page"> &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 13:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

See this. there is no "This is a minor edit" box.. -- Sixorish 13:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Loot/Hero Cave Star Room Page
That article should be divided into two: one to loot list from Hero Cave and another to loot list from Star Room. After somebody do it the article named "Loot/Hero Cave Star Room" should be deleted.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 20:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Article name and item/creature name
Should the creature "Arkhothep" be named "Arkhothep (Creature)" in "Arkhothep (Creature)" article? Why? If the answer is "no", should the item "Crystal Ring (Eleonore)" be named "Crystal Ring" in "Crystal Ring (Eleonore)" article?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 20:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Arkhothep (Creature) and the NPC Arkhothep are not the same; one is deprecated from TS, the other is visible in-game, but not accessible. Yes, the creature's name should be Arkhothep (Creature), the NPC also needs a name above it's head, will mark for replacement. -- Sixorish 01:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Mass login article
Is Mass login article useful or should it be deleted?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 22:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

New players may find it helpful; as long as it isn't encouraging them to do it. I would suggest keeping it. -- Sixorish 01:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the page be moved to Mass Login, to match the standards on naming? Also, a good addition to the page (if decided to keep it) should be something like:

.. or whatever. Just an example, but it should be clear it's against the Rules.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 08:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I have replaced the warning message with Template:Tibiaruleviolation, I didn't know this existed.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Links to Unsupported Fansites
TibiaWiki has links to unsupported fansites (in Tibia, Unsupported Tibia Fansites and some others articles), should we remove these links? It's too hard to know when we should delete an article about an unsupported fansite. Some users are removing links to TibiaEarth because Tibia.pl isn't a supported fansite.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 22:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The reasons that they are unsupported fansites should be considered. First off, if the site offers cheats or encourages breaking the rules, then it should not be allowed. OT is borderline, since it is not explicitly illegal in Tibia Rules, but it is disapproved by CIP. In general i think World of Tibia and Tibia.pl are ok, but i have not checked to see if they encourage cheating of late. I believe MyTibia, Tibia RP, Tibiahumor, and Tibiahistory are all fine, just not enough content/no longer active to be a supported fansite. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 05:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I may be mistaking but I think tibia.pl is no longer supported because they refused to control their advertisements of illegal things (against the tibia rules) -- Sixorish 05:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I think links to unsupported website should only be removed when the unsupported website has illigal (to the tibia rules) things on it. This means links to tibia.pl should be removed. This should also become a part of or policy.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:purple; color:yellow; font-weight:bold" title="Talk page of Bennie"> &curren; Talk &curren; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:white; color:green; border:orange; font-weight:bold;" title="Administrator Page"> &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 06:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

MultipleUpload
This is more of a request.. Would it be possible to add a link to Special:MultipleUpload on MediaWiki:Uploadtext? This would make me (and perhaps others) happy, because we won't have to manually type the address to the page or click "More..." and look for it.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Like this?

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:purple; color:yellow; font-weight:bold" title="Talk page of Bennie"> &curren; Talk &curren; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:white; color:green; border:orange; font-weight:bold;" title="Administrator Page"> &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 16:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, though I suggest changing images to files, so it becomes:
 * You can alternatively upload multiple files at once using Special:MultipleUpload.

Even though only images get uploaded to this wiki, it would still be better to change it to files..

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 07:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Never satisfied.. I'll change it. -- Sixorish 08:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Delete
Template:Delete says it should be used using   (noinclude tags), yet on MediaWiki:Edittools it is placed without the noinclude tags. Is this for a reason?

I think the noinclude tags are important, some pages might transclude a page that should be deleted. But that page will then end up on the Category:Delete Requests too.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 07:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really understand the problem. The pages don't appear in the delete requests when noinclude tags are added around it? Then don't use it. Otherwise it doesn't really matter, the noinclude is only so it doesn't mess up lists of items/objects etc. But since a page marked for deletion will be deleted anyway it doesn't really matter if it messes up a list.

^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:purple; color:yellow; font-weight:bold" title="Talk page of Bennie"> &curren; Talk &curren; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:white; color:green; border:orange; font-weight:bold;" title="Administrator Page"> &ordm; Admins &ordm; ^^ 15:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

... The category gets added by the template, therefore a page will end up in Category:Delete Requests, even when you use &#60;noinclude&#62;.

Using &#60;noinclude&#62; makes sure any other pages don't get added into the delete requests category.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I've changed MediaWiki:Edittools, looks a lot neater now. Do you guys like it? if so, I'll go ahead and add NPC Preload etc. so people can use them. -- Sixorish 16:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Could you put textformat as default in the edittools? I think most people use that the most, and then it also looks more like it used to look.

Done. -- Sixorish 22:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Warning vandals
Am I allowed to warn vandals on their talk pages by means of the templates vandalwarn1 and vandalwarn2? Or are they supposed to be used by admins only?

After placing either warning, and they vandalise again, I would inform an admin of course.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you asking if you are allowed to that, or any random "normal" user? I, personally, think YOU are allowed to do that, since you have proved yourself worthy as an active user lately who is up to the job. I don't know what our policy is about this, don't know if the person who created these templates intended them to be used by admins of everyone. Maybe wait for some feedback from other admins and if they are ok with it you can do it? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Whitelaces created the templates, I think it's fine for you to use them but maybe one could be made for users (not admins) to avoid confusion of the user's powers (since they can't actually block them..) -- Sixorish 23:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

@Bennie: The question was if any random user could use it, if a vandal needs a warning (not a severe vandal, maybe a new user who doesn't yet know what to do). And thanks :)

And well, I only asked for vandalwarn1 and vandalwarn2, because they don't state "you will be blocked from editing". I would never use a template that says that, since I cannot enforce it.

--Temahk (Talk &bull; Contribs) 07:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Cryptic PM
I've sent Erig the request to invite me to the test servers for the next update. The reply I got was this:

What test server?

I'm not sure if he ment "what are you talking about?" or "which of the test servers do you want to be invited to?" Has any other admin experienced the same? <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #fff;color:#fff;background-color:#800;">Art Featherpitch 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I already pmed him on erig.net a month ago, but didn't got any reply (dunno if that's positive or negative). Did you tell you were art featherpitch and an admin from tibiawiki? Then he should know about it. Maybe try post on his talkpage here. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I told him who I was (and still am, ho ho ho) <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #fff;color:#fff;background-color:#800;">Art Featherpitch 20:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Object or Creature?
Hi guys, Some "things" in tibia can both be described as an object, or as a creature. We should make a logical decision in what category to put them. Those are the ones: etc. etc. (most of the Traps. What's your opinion, keep it like it is, or change some/all of them? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 15:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Demon Oak (not movable, thus object; makes sounds, thus creature)
 * Magicthrower (not movable, thus object; performs attacks, thus creature)
 * Dwarf Dispenser ''
 * Flamethrower ''

To me, the throwers are objects, much like Fire (a fire field).

The Dwarf Dispenser is so too, a magical machine, thus object.

The demon oak is an object to me too, a living tree if you will. Some objects, such as a lever, can make sounds too ("The lever won't budge.").

Temahk 15:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the traps are merely immobile creatures with the outfit of an object, I think if they have the black square around them when they hit you, they are creatures (which doesn't happen for fire fields, so they remain objects). I'm not sure if the demon oak even attacks you, so I wouldn't be able to tell what happens to him -- Sixorish 22:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)