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Welcome
Please make sure you read, abide by, and edit or remove any existing articles which violate the new TibiaWiki Policy.

Thanks! --Erig 05:01, 19 May 2005 (EDT)

User badges - new feature!
Hello! Your friendly local product manager here :)

I'd like to take a moment to tell you about a new feature we're enabling on your wiki, which we'd love to get your feedback on - "user badges".

With user badges you can tell everyone about the cool things you are doing on this wiki by:


 * Adding it to your MySpace or Facebook profiles...or anywhere else you have a profile on the web
 * Adding it to your forum signatures
 * Adding it to your blog, homepage or other personalized site

To create your customized badge, head to your Special:Preferences page and click on the "User badge" tab. There you can change the look and feel of the badge to suit your personality. A couple of my own badges are shown below:

http://images.wikia.com/diablo/images/badges/d/d0/126761.png http://images.wikia.com/residentevil/images/badges/d/d0/126761.png http://images.wikia.com/Callofduty/images/badges/d/d0/126761.png

We would love to hear about what you want to showcase on the badge in the future and value your feedback. Let us know what you think below.

Visit Help:User badge for more detailed info on this feature!

Thanks, Kirkburn (talk) 00:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Feedback
It looks OK but there are a few concerns/doubts/comments I have: If we could have our own styles, that would be a lot better... but I understand that might cause more server load, etcetc the usual... -- Sixorish 01:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I don't know of many people who use MySpace and play Tibia, so testing with this Wikia community isn't the best option,
 * 2) The TibiaWiki logo does not go well with the style. It works nicely for the Diablo wiki, but well, look at it for yourself...
 * 3) The tag links to the main page of the wiki, why would we want to link to the main page of the wiki? if I have it on my user page, something tells me that the user will already BE on the wiki, where's the logic behind the link?
 * 4) The only notable feature of this is to have it on your user page, which could more or less be done with markup.
 * 5) People using TibiaWiki to blog or otherwise show off is a growing problem, you should run a script to find people with at least 80% of their total edits as user pages... It won't be a small list.
 * 6) Some forums, including that of the game, do not allow HTML in posts/signatures. Which diminishes the worth of it significantly.
 * 7) Left aligning the header text makes it invisible/behind the image...

After reading and seeing this here is my feedback. First, what would be the purpose of tibiawiki users to e.g. put this user badge in their tibia/tibianews/tibiacity/etc. forum signature? If it would only be marketing/ad for tibiawiki that would be ok but why is the amount of user edits shown? That makes it feel like editing a wiki is a competition, the more edits the better. I certainly do NOT agree with that, a small amount of good edits is way better than a lot of bad edits. Like, if you are a higher level (150+) and you add a rare demon boss monster drop on the wiki, this information is more valuable than other information because not everybody could kill the demon boss. After discussing the intentions here is something about the logo itself. It looks pretty cool, but unfortunately our image is not square, which makes it look very bad. @Sixorish, I do not think this user badge is intended to put on your tibiawiki userpage, no information on the badge would be of any significance. Also, I'm quite interested in such a script, can it be done here? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 08:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Taking my basic signature as an example for this wiki, and responding to Sixorish's points:




 * 1) Regarding testing location - this is likely to be rolled out across all Wikia, so we just want as much feedback as possible.
 * 2) We have a known issue where the aspect ratio for signatures is not preserved (which affects your badges). However, I can also understand why the logo for this wiki is a little different to the others (being a rectangular, opaque block). Any ideas on how to improve?
 * 3) Do you suggest it links to the user page? We want it to be consistent wherever you use it, so having it work differently in different places might be a bit confusing.
 * 4) For location, it's for use in multiple places, not just on Wikia - indeed, the main focus of the product was not for use on Wikia, but it was an easy addition, so we went for it :)
 * 5) I *think* the edit count is just for content namespaces, though I may be wrong.
 * 6) Those forums (that disable HTML) are evil :P It's not really something we can work around.
 * 7) You can reposition the image too - see the right hand side of the preferences page.

Are there any specific styles you prefer? Linking to examples may help, or just some general thoughts. Thanks! Kirkburn (talk) 00:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Bennie's edit count issue: it's a fair point, but there isn't really much else that we can simply implement to allow users to "show off". Naturally, we don't want to encourage spamming, but we also don't think this addition is 'big' enough for it to cause that kind of encouragement. Have you any ideas for what else you would like to show on on your badge? Kirkburn (talk) 00:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is exactly why we need feedback. Though we can't make everyone happy, we can certainly try. @ Bennie's point - would you rather have article count highlighted? We would love to know what you are most proud of. -- Doug (talk ) 00:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, first I would suggest you don't resize by a fixed height and width for the logo, use just one and the other will automatically be resized without distorting the image. Then, put the images on a different row, as in - not overlapping the title. (a quick example) but, if I may ask, why don't you allow a user to fully customize it? is there a technical reason? (by this I mean have the structure and then make all of the styles set by the preferences...) -- Sixorish 01:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Technical, basically - we have to provide options for everything, so it's a balancing act of ease of use versus many options. That design is pretty nice, we'll definitely look at that possibility. Kirkburn (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not know an alternative to edit count, but if the user name space is left out it becomes more interesting for me. I do think the wikia staff - in general - works great, every now and then you come up with new stuff. So if the image issue is fixed it probably is good enough already. Keep up the good work ;) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 13:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Kirkburn (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Bureacrats and Rollback
Hello everybody! As you can read here we are trying to improve protection against vandalism with the idea of creating a rollback group as one option. In order to do this we will need an active bureacrat who can add/remove users to this group. Erig has no objection against this. Do you, the tibiawiki community, have any objections? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever helps Tibiawiki I will support. :) beejay 17:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree too. --Kwigon the sharpshooter 18:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I received the email, and I'm all for rollback position and promoting another bureaucrat. I can't, however, be the one who is promoted to bureaucrat primarily because I would rather not have the burden of responsibility placed upon me (besides, I'm largely biased). So if a decision of who gets it is made, go for it. -- Sixorish 17:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, you don't have to carry the burden, on a side note, why do you think you would be biased? According to wikipedia "views could not be taken as being neutral or objective", I think there are a few to no people who are really objective, I mean your opinion gets influenced by everything you see or hear. Thanks for the feedback. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(off topic) I tend to be lenient toward people who are calm and don't confront people in a manner which would make them feel violated, or as if they did something wrong (see User talk:NeWsOfTzzz; many of these arguments could have been settled in a more civil way). Although Kwigon would be a good candidate for rollback, I would hesitate to promote him because he may use it to revert his enemies'  edits. (no offense, Kwigon - but you do tend to be hostile against opposing users). -- Sixorish 17:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

looks a good idea
it looks like a good idea since is easyer for your admins to police the "rollback group" actions, than evevrybody else actions. Maguu 19:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

What enemies? My enemies are botters (I wont undo a edit that is good) also I do hate User talk:NeWsOfTzzz but just because he start doing something and leave it half finish and also removed information that took me money and time to get. Am happy with just not having to preview (I can undo very fast a hacked by opening a lot of windows in firefox), But I would like to edit locked pages, and maybe be able to mute/block hackers at least for 1 day wile a admin logs in and do it for real. --Kwigon the sharpshooter 18:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The point is not that you have enemies, it's that you are very open about it and vicious to them. If I had people saying things like that to me when I first came here I wouldn't have stuck around, so I can't blame him for not finishing it (if he didn't ...) -- Sixorish 21:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

8000 Articles
We have reached the nice sum of 8000 articles today (or a few days ago, I only just noticed it ;) ). I nice moment to look back how TibiaWiki evolved from a small site to (maybe) the largest and most visited fansite of Tibia. It feels good to be part of such a huge bunch of people, working together to put information here, correct others and a lot more. It is also nice the huge vandals we had to deal with some months ago, are kinda gone. Apart from looking back, we could also look forward. Some older sections could be cleaned up/updated, new ideas could be implemented. Share your thoughts! ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 22:37, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I would be interested in reading about this. All I know so far is that TibiaWiki was intended as an easy way to see the books. beejay 13:22, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

That brought me to the idea to start of a history article about tibiawiki: TibiaWiki/History. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 11:53, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Custom namespace: Loot
Hello everybody!

You might have noticed how easy it lately became to add Loot Statistics, by pasting your stats in a box and upload them right away to the Monster/Loot Statistics page. You may also have noticed how this spams the Special:RecentChanges. There is a probable solution to this, we could ask Wikia to create a custom namespace for all loot statistic pages. For example: Minotaur/Loot Statistics would be moved to Loot:Minotaur (or Minotaur or anything else). These edits could then be made hidden/visible in the recent changes. Would you guys agree with that? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 23:53, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting this. I would rather have the abbreviation expanded though: Stats seems rather unprofessional. -- Sixorish 04:50, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Loot:Minotaur sounds more suitable for me Jura 08:26, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like statistics: but the name doesn't matter much for me, it sounds like a good idea and it would make scanning the recent changes easier so I agree with it. beejay 13:21, March 6, 2010 (UTC) - Would the abbr. Loot Statistics:Minotaur be the best? I'm not sure if we are allowed a space in it though. Or otherwise LootStatistics: or Statistics. In the last case, rust removing statistics can be put in there too I guess. Ow, and thanks for your support everyone :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I can't see why not. We already have many namespaces with multiple words (talk namespaces), and there's the user blog, and user blog talk which has three.

If the naming is fought over then we can always request namespace aliases. I'd go with using aliases "Loot:" and "Statistics:" to redirect to "Loot Statistics:" personally. -- Sixorish 17:01, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I support the namespace creation, about the name I believe Loot: is best, simple and descriptive but if aliases are allowed would be ok to have Loot:, Statistics: and Loot Statistics:.

--Daniel Letalis 10:38, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I just contacted wikia and we'll see what their response is. I think they can do it within the next few days. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 11:53, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

It appears they have enabled the namespace, but not the aliases. Here's what needs doing for the transition: I have created a page, User:Sixorish/Move, which has links to filled in forms. I feel we should wait for the JavaScript to be updated or disabled before they're moved.
 * Make the JavaScript support the new titles.
 * Move each /Loot Statistics page.
 * Fix the links on Template:Infobox Creature to properly link to the new titles.
 * Fix any other links.

Questions: -- Sixorish 18:04, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are we going to disable the parser temporarily while we make the transition?
 * Should we redirect the old page to the new namespace?

Too bad they didn't add the aliases. Loot parser is updated now, I will keep working on it for the option to upload all loots with 1 click but you can update it for now if you want so pages can be moved.

You can test it on: w:c:dantest:Loot_Statistics

Only file updated: Loot_Statistics/Lootparserloot

Updated code: http://dantest.wikia.com/index.php?title=Loot_Statistics/Lootparserloot&oldid=5053

I think I will make wikimarkup textareas read-only on the next version. --Daniel Letalis 19:04, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to keep you in the dark, but this is the official response I got to the request: ''"Hi Bennie.

The namespace is created, with those settings, including the 2 aliases. The only thing we cant do is the show/hide on recent changes. Thats just not possible in mediawiki. -- Regards, Uberfuzzy"''

In other words, it may have been completely pointless to create this custom namespace if we can't hide it... How did you figure this would be possible Sixorish? Wait! This is just me being silly, of course there is a dropdown list on Special:RecentChanges where you can simply select "Loot statistics" and check the box "exclude namespace. So, what makes you think the aliases are not working btw? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 23:11, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Loot:Rat. Statistics:Rat. They don't work. -- Sixorish 08:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, they work. I didn't realize the pages had to exist for the alias to work. I'll start moving the pages. -- Sixorish 08:59, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Everything seems to work; pages have been moved and we can now filter out that namespace. -- Sixorish 09:58, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Item Prices
There is/has been a bit of confusion about what item pages are meant for regarding prices. Atleast, when I started to discuss this(?) the first time, there had been a lot of item's pages "standardised" by who paid/sold for the best player prices. Until now, I had not seen it as much of an issue due to seeing it from an "experienced" players perspective, where they would only want to know the best prices dependent from which cities (which in all fairness are currently bolded on most pages now). Since I had started to help with the Shops page I have started to wonder about the prices and whether they are best shown by the city prices such as.. Warrior Helmet or by the city names such as Mace. As the pages get larger, the significance of the items value lowers and it matters more about where it can be sold than for better prices, as equipment should (in my opinion) be treated the same/similar, I believe that all these item pages should be also treat the same and all similar pages should have the same standard to follow. I now do not believe that the item pages are a place to compare item prices, which is why pages such as Shops and Traders have been set up. Nevertheless I think this should be discussed so we can get a standadised idea upon the set up of prices to pages to avoid less confusion in the future. What do you think? beejay 01:04, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think you're right, we need to have a standard.

The point is: "Whether the prices are best shown by the city prices or by the city names".

Well, if somebody want to know the best prices, he/she has only to look at the bold prices, if somebody want to know the price of a particular city/village, he/she has only to press ctrl+f and type the city/village name. Since it's easier and faster to use the eyes, my opinion is: bold (best) prices and list the cities by alphabetical order.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 15:07, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think a good policy might be to list Rashid/Djinn prices first on a page, if they can be sold to them, and then alphabetically by-city from then on. In the case of Rashid/Djinn items, there's no conceivable reason to sell them to another NPC. While on non-Rashid/Djinn pages, because the prices are typically very similar, with many NPCs offering the same prices, listing them alphabetically by-city with the best price in bold seems to work. Coincidentally, the Warrior Helmet page seems to fit this format already. Kharzad Ironfist 13:22, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think that's a good idea as Rashid and the Djinns move/have their own cities. beejay 13:45, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I thought i had added the Djinns to Shops listed under Ankrahmun, so i may have lost the file or saved over it. I will try to find that or recreate it soon and add them to Shops. I do not find it necessary to give them their own column since they are already on Traders, and Shops is getting very wide (in Firefox, users would have to scroll on Shops if they have a 1000px wide screen or smaller). Perhaps in addition to writing the best prices in bold, the cell could be a different color or just color the Djinns' cells (green/blue). The downside of the color is making the page look bad aesthetically. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 18:33, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could always put a small green or blue gif next to it. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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Perhaps or something? Maybe to make the list thinner, instead of listing each city we instead include all free account city npcs under one column and premium under another, then make a list of trading npcs which buy/sell the items included in the page? beejay 20:28, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Achievements
Hello everybody,

Wikia introduced a new feature which can be turned on for this wiki, if people would like. It is called achievements. Right now you can see the amount of edits somebody made on his/her userpage, these achievement points replace that. So what do you think, do you totally hate it or do you think it would be a nice thing? I personally think it would be nice, because different badges can be made up, e.g. a golden badge for adding 100 loot statistics edits. Of course, too much competition is not wanted, it's not really about quantity but the quality of edits is more important. So what do you think? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:50, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea I edit other wikis in which you can earn badges and users take it as a healthy competitions, but as always people can get upset, and jealous because of this. Also is a good idea Tibia adds achievements, and Tibiawiki adds Achievements also Starygurl 03:09, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I prefer a system like wikipedia:WP:Barnstars, where they're awarded by people and isn't so predictable. It's more satisfying knowing that you've made a noticeable difference. With this system, you could edit 100 pages (or even vandalize them...) and be held with high esteem because you have a badge...

If we had manually-administered badges, we would also be able to make more creative and specific ones, i.e. an explorer badge (yes, my creativity > the world) for someone who creates or significantly expands, a location article. -- Sixorish 05:28, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Mmm, that's a very good suggestion Sixorish! I read that page and I like the idea. Would anybody be able to give starts to anyone? I wonder if people would abuse the system or not. Seems like fun to try, especially because the Wikia Achievement system does not take earlier edits into account, while barnstars can be awarded for earlier edits easy. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be an interesting addition, perhaps encouraging people to edit more in other areas of the wiki. At the moment, I don't have my mind set on whether I like the idea or not, I don't think that people would abuse it here but you never know and it wouldn't surprise me. I dislike that there are no preventative measures to stop people from abusing the system. The only way seems to be through blocking people and I don't like the idea of that either and that it only temporarily removes the badges. There should be something more like removing points for bad edits made, as at the way it is as the moment, it doesn't sound so encouraging to make good edits, which should be required.

On the other hand though, it's not very important if people did abuse edits/points to gain these achievements. But it may encourage others to do the same behaviour and that's why I can't make my mind up about it. For me, there's always an if.. Beejay 16:39, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

It's a nice feature, BUT I think that feature encourages ppl to make bad/pointless edits. And it's very easy to do this, by just adding unneeded categories to the articles, or unneeded screenshots of items looted, etc. Also, i like the idea that "all editors on tibia wikia are equals", and it undermines the very purpose of wikis: to make a community of constructive editors. &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 16:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  Talk ∙ Contribs  20:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * My logic is, if you care enough to want achievement points in our community, then you care enough to be part of and help our community. Bring on the achievements.

I don't believe the system is fair, 1 edit with good content or research can take more time than 10 simple/bad edits. If the system can be removed after being added I think we should test, only to see how good it is for this wiki. --Daniel Letalis 21:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

It can be removed. I read on one wikia admins blog, some admins added to their wikia, they was flooded by poitless edits, and then they disabled xD &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 21:45, August 6, 2010 (UTC)  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  Talk ∙ Contribs  22:36, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * An objective award system would be a great thing for the wiki. Balance is the only weakness. I do thnik this sort of idea is the next step for the community.

Then to make it fair only administrators should be able to give the awards. Starygurl 22:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  <font color="#6e86ff">Talk ∙ <font color="#6e86ff">Contribs  22:52, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Trouble with that is we can forget, argue and generally be inconsistant. If admins dish out the rewards then the average user won't have much of a hope, I could barely name a handful of regular edittors.

So we're discussing about 2 systems, one is the Wikia automatic achievenemt system, where you get badges for certain amounts of edits in certain categories. The advantage is that is goes automatically, the disadvantage is that users who already did a lot in the past won't get badges or points for that and that it might encourage to do a lot of nonsense edits to get badges. The second system is the Barnstar system suggested by Sixorish. The main advantage here is that stuff that's done in the past can be awarded too and that it's more personal (when somebody gives you a Barnstar he cares about you/the stuff you did). Disadvantages are that it needs to be done manually so if nobody gives out stars, nobody gets them. Note that anybody would be able to give barnstars to anybody else, if only admins could award them it would be too hard. I personally like the barnstar system more, but it's up to you. We could have a poll on the main page? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:47, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bennie do a poll so we can see what the whole community thinks Starygurl 16:58, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

The problem with a poll on the main page would be that any visitor can vote / you don't have to be logged in to vote. And it's a decision that will affect only the users. What about to do the poll on a talk page and every user says his/her vote there? It'd be fairer to protect the page for autoconfirmed users only.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:58, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have posted this earlier but figured it would catch on: there's no technical reason why we can't use both. One would be qualitative, the other quantitative. At least until it is decided for certain what is feasible and what is not.

I would have proposed general guidelines for the awarding and granting of the barnstars (I mean, granter and recipient). For example, you might have one titled "Quality editor" requiring 5-10 edits which are deemed high quality (relatively speaking), but to award it you need to have been active for 6-12 or more months and have some related (probably higher in the hierarchy) barnstar yourself. The requirements are not just to prevent abuse, but also to ensure that those who grant them have some knowledge of what passes by as high quality. Although the system would be democratic: if one disagrees on someone's edits, they can have their barnstar revoked. -- Sixorish 04:18, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

why achievement system is needed? When I do edit, I do it to help other people, same as they help me. Not for stars, big signs "winner" or so. Just my 2 cents. Jura 19:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * We're glad to have people as selfless as you in our community Jura, however not everyone works that way. Besides we all crave gratifaction for our work now and then, I know a wiki is the last place to look for it; none-the-less a system like this would probably draw punters in. It'll make no impact on your Jura but some users may enjoy it. <span style="align:right;background:#FFFFFF; border:1px solid #000091; padding:1px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Craggles  <span style="align:right;background:#FFFFFF; border:1px solid #000091; padding:1px; margin-left:0px; font-size:90%;border-left:0px">ಠ_ಠ <span style="background:#DBDBDB; border:1px solid #000091; border-left:0px; padding:1px; margin-right:6px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#6e86ff">Talk ∙ <font color="#6e86ff">Contribs  20:12, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'll do a poll for next week. I know a lot of people who are just visiting and don't have an account will vote too, but the outcome of the poll will just be an advice for us while deciding about this topic. In other words, the outcome of the poll will not automatically be the thing we are going to do. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 11:00, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Can achievement requirements be edited by sysops? I found two wikis with a list of achievements and they were identical (ex: avatar wiki), so I don't think they can. If those are the only achievements, than I can see nothing beneficial gained by enabling them. They are more along the lines of game achievements that promote repetition over constructive edits. If those are the only achievements, then I strongly vote against it.

Barnstars? Aside from the lack of predefined templates, nothing's been done to prevent their use so far. I don't see any reason against using them, because you can just remove them from your user page if someone adds them and it will limit edit-spamming because only people who care about barnstars... will care about barnstars if that makes sense. --Kharzad Ironfist 18:56, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Kharzad: There's nothing to be gained by awarding yourself a barnstar. It wouldn't be permitted, but I doubt it would be abused often. It's to show appreciation and give recognition to those who deserve it. -- Sixorish 03:44, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

So the poll has ended and many people voted in favor of the system(s). I think we should give it a try. Unless someone has a really good argument to not do it? In that case: speak up now! ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 08:04, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

No problem here, doesn't hurt to give it a go! Beejay 09:58, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

What ever came of this? Has it been implemented yet? -- Sixorish 18:10, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing came of this, yet. Busy in real life (in combination with) losing interest in tibia(wiki) on my side, is a factor in this. I won't stop anyone else showing some initiative though :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 21:13, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Loot calculator
I've made a loot calculator in javacript, it takes item data from wiki dpl lists, it needs some improvement but works for now. It can't fully work with server log because of non countable limitations but it can completely work with "looks" of items.

Should this be implemented to tibiawiki?

Also suggestions on what features it should have are welcome.

--Daniel Letalis 03:09, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really understood it's functionality or necessity. Can you give an example of an application? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well I've been using it like this:
 * I have some to many different loots in backpacks
 * I clear my server log and "Look" all of them
 * Paste server log on the calculator
 * It tells me how much money the loot is and what NPCs I have to visit to sell all.

--Daniel Letalis 08:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think that sounds really good! Beejay 08:35, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

New skin/appearance 'Oasis'
Hello everybody,

As you may or may not know Wikia have been working on a new skin, called Oasis. To see how it looks right now visit the url http://tibia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=oasis and fill in any page you want to see on the place where "Main Page" is written right now. Some facts: Wikia "forces" us to move to this new skin, within ~2 weeks (before November 4 ??). If you don't like it, how it is right now, please give feedback about it. We can customize some things (like colours and backgrounds), depending on the need of the community.

In my opinion, some good functionality is going to be removed with this new skin, but some new cool things are added too. In other words, I have mixed feelings about this (especially because we don't have a choice to stick with the old skin, as a default for not logged in visitors). So now it's up to you, go ahead and give your opinion. Try to give alternatives if you point out things you don't like and explain what you say. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:00, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can also change your preferences in the skin tab to view the new look. You can also learn more on our FAQ page. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best, Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 21:55, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

I liked that the boxes in the left column in Main Page are wider in this new skin, it's better to read and it fixes the poll bug.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 01:56, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I like the new skin features and distribution in general but in my opinion it is really bad thought by wikia crew in 1 important detail, it wastes vertical space and it doesn't use horizontal space because it is fixed size, I use 4:3 monitor but many new computers come with wider monitors, you can notice the insane space waste comparing these 2: I use a script I made to recover some space for articles, even that it sacrifices some "features" I love it, http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Daniel_Letalis/global.js, if you want to test it just copy it to the same page but with your user name instead of mine and refresh tibiawiki page or empty cache.
 * http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon?useskin=monaco
 * http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon?useskin=oasis

About features, I couldn't see the Sitenotice on the new skin and I couldn't find a way to use custom js for oasis skin, as it was used with monaco (User:Daniel_Letalis/monaco.js)

I don't like the current colors but I guess we are still testing those, Colors I like are the default, 'Oasis' as can be choosen on Special:ThemeDesigner

An important note for admins, MediaWiki:Common.css doesn't work for new skin, MediaWiki:Wikia.css seems to work, I find it very confusing that Common.js remains with the same name.

--Daniel Letalis 18:32, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Daniel about the how messed up the pages (e.g. Dragon) look with the new skin, but I have faith we'll find a work-around to make it wider. I think the custom page for you would be User:Daniel_Letalis/wikia.js. I though they skin was called Oasis, but apparantly it also listens to the name "Wikia". ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:53, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, the new skin really sux, in my PC and laptop i have full HD resolution (1920x1080), and this means that the HALF of my screen is totally wasted.

Yes nice colors and everything, but the most important thing its take advatange of all the screen.

^^ &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 13:00, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

To Daniel and Bennie,

Wikia.css is the CSS page for the new look. The js page is Common.js. As for expanding the content space for the entire wiki, this violates our Terms of Use. You are welcome to expand the size in your personal css, just not for the entire wiki. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 16:51, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

User:Daniel_Letalis/wikia.js and User:Daniel_Letalis/Wikia.js don't work. I really don't see how people didn't gave enough feedback about the width of the skin to make wikia fix it, I gave feedback about it like in the middle of the beta test time. Anyway I've made some css tests to make skin look better on regular and wider screens but now it turns out that it is forbidden, even add something like my javascript toggler to the wiki would be forbidden.

o.O

--Daniel Letalis 22:51, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet jesus has this skin broken some of our pages. Please let us go back. Or widen the view field. Or get rid of that stupid stuff on the right hand side, like recent pictures. <span style="align:right;background:#FFFFFF; border:1px solid #000091; padding:1px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Craggles  <span style="align:right;background:#FFFFFF; border:1px solid #000091; padding:1px; margin-left:0px; font-size:90%;border-left:0px">ಠ_ಠ <span style="background:#DBDBDB; border:1px solid #000091; border-left:0px; padding:1px; margin-right:6px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#6e86ff">Talk ∙ <font color="#6e86ff">Contribs  23:04, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ok now I have a bit of time to put my opinions in. Now call me old fashioned but I dislike massive changes with a passion. I hate the edit link being next to the heading of talk pages, it was easier to find when it was aligned on the right, I also hate how the headings don't stand out. I hate how invisible the talk page links are. If anyone has bad eye sight they won't know where to go to find the talk pages! I hate the fixed width, it ruins the fact that space width ways was what made the most out of long pages. I hate the same stuff as Craggles regarding that right side panel, I hate how my left side panel has gone (I also hate the search being on the right, majority of websites I have been on have this to the left). I hate the top headings for for Wikia and TibiaWiki's "easy access". By the way, "My Tools" doesn't even show while editing, I have to open a new tab to use them?! What's wrong with simply going on "My Tools" and opening them up with a new tab? I hate drop down menus and I could go on even more. To even put it simply on my other account User:Beth Jones, I cant even find where to block users!! Putting everything under "My Tools" is stupid in my opinion, I don't want to search through 100's of links of my own tools to find the right tool for the job, when it was previously easy to see and easy to locate. Also, if I want to edit using my mobile phone, the new design makes it near impossible. Basically, to sum up my "hates", I don't think it this new design was worth the time put into it.

I thought Wikis were about having plenty of information available to see easily and quickly. Achievements page needs to be fixed again and there is little(?) we can actually do about the content that isn't in the spoiler tags, that is just an example of how horribly wrong this can go. Please don't take this personally, I'm not angry, I am somewhat amused. I gave feedback on another website going through a design change and I compared their design for the update with the monaco look and thought their design was horrible, I think this new look and functionality goes way beyond what I had previously thought of the other website's design. But perhaps, with this new design, it will be more obvious when Wikia wants the community to get involved with feedback eh. Beejay 14:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with everything that Beejay said. &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 15:25, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have one question to you Sarah (or any other Wikia Staff member). I could not find the thing in your Terms of Use which denies us from making the content space wider with CSS or javascript. I will quote the paragraph your probably reffered to: Not intentionally block, remove, or otherwise obstruct the proper functioning and view of advertisements, and/or user interface and functionality by other users, including but not limited to changing or adding javascript or CSS changes to the Service that would prevent the proper display or function of advertisements and/or user interface and functionality. This is actually exactly what Wikia does if they make the content space fixed and so small our tables etc. get broken. If we would make the content space wider, this would not prevent the proper display of user interface and functionality, it would  stimulate an even better than proper display of user interface and functionality. That's why I still see no objections in doing so (widening the content space for the all logged in our logged out users). But.. maybe I missed something?? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:57, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

We now must ponder the motives behind this change. Money. Their advertising model will generate more revenue if advertisements are placed appropriately. I think it's time we moved to a new domain. Wikia have fucked us over again and again, for the same reasons. They will give us shit about it being more efficient, more user-friendly, more intuitive; and they will give us hope that they are working on solutions to all our problems. It isn't, they aren't. Accept it and move on.

To Wikia: the design is shit. One size does not fit all although you might think. You can use whatever the fuck skin you want for Central, but you haven't closer ties to the users of this subdomain than we do. Don't give us shit about how users will like this skin better. They won't.

Oh tell me I wasn't too uncivil. -- Sixorish 03:11, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

If we did move, we wouldn't be the first, the biggest game Wiki moved two days ago! And I can (yes can) believe that I was just asked in-game if TibiaWiki had been hacked..

Pretty sure you was talking about this before Sixorish and I agree! Besides I cannot call this new skin more user friendly when we are losing easy to access tools so easily. It was better the way it was, but it could have been a good addition if that new heading was there while also keeping the old functions.

Regarding fixing the new issues with pages. As if Admins don't have enough to do in their spare time! I'd much rather edit with the old skin and contribute to the content and that's what I plan to do. Beejay 14:53, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

You mean WowWiki? I just read some of their discussions about it, interesting but I don't have money for hosting. See also this: wikis who are moving. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)