User talk:Whitelaces/Archive 2007/04


 * 1) regarding the infobox
 * 2) New Monster
 * 3) Items' Category Revision
 * 4) Vandal: Brogdon
 * 5) Signature
 * 6) About key list
 * 7) Creature Templates
 * 8) Spoilers
 * 9) gold coins
 * 10) Apology
 * 11) Troublesome bug
 * 12) Vandalism by Bluegel
 * 13) how to make a content box and edit buttons that are with a new subject on my userpage?
 * 14) infobox item typo
 * 15) Nushy Vandal
 * 16) Is Eva a male?
 * 17) Showing another page in my page
 * 18) About Equips Set template
 * 19) Warlock Mortimer
 * 20) New Monster
 * 21) Proposal for new category

regarding the infobox
I have seen and also worked along with your new adjustment of the infoboxes to automatically include the items category whilst checking the item class. I would like to know if what you have done works in both ways with the creatures, too. (As in, for example in a Fire Elemental page to display who are the elementals of Tibia and so on). If the infobox is edited to work that way, let me know, and I'll add the templates and remove the category links in the pages, the same way I did with the helmets, light sources, food and other stuff along with Pudd.

Edit: I have seen how the infobox works, it checks the class and tries to find the corresponding page in the templates pages.. perhaps we should edit it to include another parsing to the template Infobox_Creature, in a way we could add the race of the creature and thus adjust to the new template standard you have created.

Thanks, 09:36, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

For creatures, it is more complicated than that. I'm still trying to figure out something good for creatures... I'm sure it will look a lot like the new lists for items, but I haven't figured out how it will work behind the scenes yet.

--'' Delenda est Carthago. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:22, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

New Monster
new monster: the imperor

It is already in TibiaWiki, feel free to improve its page: The Imperor --Ville-v 03:30, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks for the update, Erig... It's nice to have those kill stats back! The wiki editors seem to be pretty efficient about adding stuff, but please continue to keep me up-to-date with new creatures you find!

-- non compos mentis  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:36, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

new monster: magic pillars

I guess it is already in Wiki as well, but Cip uses different name about some of the Traps (maybe Magicthrower) --Ville-v 00:35, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

That's interesting... is that maybe like "elemental forces"? Where the Magicthrower, Flame thrower, Lava Hole, Shredderthrower, etc. are all called "Magic Pillars"?

-- Braccae tuae aperiuntur  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:38, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Maybe somebody should test it by dying and looking what kill statistics say :P --Ville-v 23:34, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Haha. Anyway, I was browsing the kill stats, and magic pillar is separate from magicthrower, shredderthrower, etc... so it must be a new one... unless CIP changed the name of one of these others. I'll go ahead and add a new page for it.

-- Veni, vidi, volo in domum redire  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:59, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

According to Ferumbras page, "Also there are 2 Magic Pillars at his room, which can summon up to 3 Demons each."

If this is true, anybody killed by Demons in Ferumbras' Room (when Ferumbras isn't there) would show in kill statistics as "killed by magic pillar".

Somebody should test it, by going there, killing normal spawn, and watching if more demons are being summoned (by pillars). --Ville-v 05:15, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Items' Category Revision
Hello there. I've thought about doing a full revision on all items pages, to fix their categories (and their respective lists). I know it will be a huge job, but I'm up to it. I'll also take the chance for applying certain standards (like weight always with YY.X0 oz, etc). However, I supposed you could be working with similar project, so I'm asking here first to avoid working uselessly on something that will change in a near future. So, let me know what are your plans and I'll be able, then, to know what exactly to work with ^^

15:40, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

I think that would be fine, to fix the "itemclass" for the items... it has been a while since that's been done across the board, and I don't have any "big plans" to change how that works.

Keep in mind, that items can only have one "itemclass", but they can belong to multiple categories. Clearly the "itemclass" should be the primary group that the item belongs to.

Good luck updating the items!

-- Non possum credere me totum edisse  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:46, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Also I think that we should remove all   templates, so you could add it direct to the infobox, maybe me, master player and even maverick could do this in no time... since he'll start something we could do it altogether.. just tell me if the idea sounds good :)

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:31, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Sounds fine with me. I do not have any objections based on this conversation.

--'' Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 08:36, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Sounds ok with me, just let me know if I need to remove the items template, and I'll talk with Pudd.

09:01, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

DONE!!!! (tired) Now you can update the infobox as you wish.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 22:34, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

It is done. :) Let us know if you need anything else, White. -- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 00:21, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I was adding the items template to the Infobox_Item template, and there is going to be an unforeseen side-effect... and spoiler tags and everything placed outside of the infobox template will be pushed to the bottom of the page. This makes any notes like this basically "hidden" on the bottom of the page. As I see it, we have two options (don't hate me, I'm only the messenger):


 * 1) re-add the items template to the bottom of every page (I don't like this idea very much)
 * 2) find every place that has any text placed outside the infobox template, and move it into the "notes" section of the infobox (better solution, but still lots of work)
 * 3) leave the items template off and pretend it doesn't exist (also seems like a poor solution, but would simplify the issue)

Is there any other ideas? What do you guys think?

-- Tibi gratias agimus quod nihil fumas  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:17, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I had this on mind, a long time ago.. ;P In the start I added the spoiler inside notes and then moved out... well I think solution 2 is fair better and easier. Leaving pages without item template would be a "poor" way, spoilers, we have many but including items again is much harder.. I'll start moving spoilers to notes today, not now, but tonight

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 12:24, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I don't like the idea of not leaving the items template, however we could try to work a roundabout on this issue. You could, for instance create something that would work a lot like the spoiler extension, but instead of being the spoiler, it's something that would show "Click here to show all the items classes". That way, it would work a lot better, by clicking in that button, it would extend the boxes with the items category, and beneath it, it would show the spoiler information. It's still weird, but better than leaving the pages without any kind of items template, and it could even be fixed alongside the spoiler information without making the page too messy.

It's your call, though. -- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 12:27, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

There seems to be some limitation in the wiki software that will not allow the spoiler block to be used in a template... it has to be on the final page.... what that means is we cannot use the spoiler tags in the Infobox Item template... anything in the spoiler tags seems to be discarded.

I think the best solution is to move the spoilers and other things into the notes section of the infobox, but I am still open to more ideas.

--'' Utinam barbari spatium proprium tuum invadant! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:33, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

When the item has multiple attributes, they are added following way:

Attributes: attr1 attr2 attr3

Couldn't you add comma between them? Then it would look like

Attributes: attr1, attr2, attr3

It would be clearer that way. --Ville-v 05:08, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

First of all... I had not thought about items being included through the "Featured" item template... you are correct. It would be best to leave the "noinclude" tags around the spoilers.

Next... I will look at adding commas between attributes. Commas were not originally added because it would have involved more processing for some simple formatting, but I'll see if I can find a "good" way to do it that will not impact the server any more than necessary.

-- Stultus est sicut stultus facit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:09, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

I have added the commas in between the attributes, but there are a couple places that the formatting is slightly wrong (extra comma where there should not be one). This appears to be related to the different ways that people type "yes" ("Yes", "yes", "Yes.", etc.), and the case-sensitive nature of the mediawiki parserfunctions. I will take another look at this later, but for now it is mostly correct.

-- Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:17, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Vandal: Brogdon
The user Brogdon ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Quests, Unused Sprites, Library, Orshabaal and Books pages (so far) were replaced with silly messages submited by him. I've undone his changes, but I believe he's no going to stop soon.

12:02, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks for the report. He has been temporarily blocked from editing.

-- Cum catapultae proscriptae erat, tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:08, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Signature
I know this might sound like a newbie question, but since i am a newbie i thought i shld ask. How do u get the templates for your signatures and how do u add it to be in your signature?--Karim 13:22, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Have a look on this tip ;)

13:32, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Yup... I wrote that tip a while ago. It should explain everything. There are also some more interesting tips and tricks on the TibiaWiki:Tip page.

If you have any more questions, or if you still can't figure it out, please let me know!

-- in puris naturalibus  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:48, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

well the tips are realy good, the problem i have is adding a sub page, the 1 on wikipedia doesnt rele explain alot, i always end up adding a url to my site--Karim 16:16, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

http://tibia.erig.net/User:Karim/Signature

thats your sig ;] --  Farscaper  Talk   -- 16:20, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

what the... XD how did u remove the url though?--  &psi; Karim &psi;  Talk  Contriutions  16:32, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Karim, You wrote Contributions without that marked B :P Art Featherpitch

Hehehe thnx man--  &psi; Karim &psi;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#666699" title="My Contributions"> Contributions  02:01, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

If I also want to have a signature can u help me plx whitelaces and plx answere my question about tibianews.

♥♦♣♠Asklan♠♣♦♥

Sure... check out that Tip about the signatures... if you still can't figure it out, post your specific questions here.

-- <span title="(latin) If it isn't broke, don't fix it">Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:53, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

--- ty whitelaces for the tip now I have my own sign here ty and also u can have a template for the signs explaining the colors and signs

 Asklan &dagger;  Talk &dagger;  15:34, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

About key list
I was adding missing list for the items infobox, and then on the keys I got a doubt:

Making a list of colors (cooper, silver, etc) or make a list like it's on the keys page, refering to their places... ?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 21:19, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Another option would be listing the keys in numerical order. Depending on how the list will look, numerical might be the cleanest approach. ~ Uno time

The other option would be to just have "Keys_List" be a full list of all keys... probably sorted numerically.

What do you think would be most useful? When looking at a key page, what makes the most sense for a list on the side?

--'' <span title="(latin) Say, you sure are drinking a lot.">Re vera, potas bene. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:20, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

In my opinion as a player, I would first search for their color (example, I have a cooper key #xxxx I'll see cooper keys). BUT, sorting then numerical is somehow better, since every key, doesn't matter the color have your own number, the color is just some reference... but what do you think is better? Numerical or color? (I just discard the location sorting, it's completely useless)

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 12:28, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I think the key list by numerical order is good u can follow the exampleof the fansite Tibiahispano in their section of keys  Asklan &dagger;  Talk &dagger;  12:44, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

That would be the easiest way to do it, but consider this.... there seems to be two main ways that people look for keys. First of all... they might have the key number, and want to know what the key is for... another common thing is that a person comes across a locked door, and wants to know which key fits it.

As far as I know, both of these scenarios are common, and I don't know which would be "best" to use on the key pages.

Maybe there's an alternative to the lists like we have on items pages? Any ideas?

-- <span title="(latin) Yes, that is a very large amount of corn.">Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:49, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes you can make the key list kinda the same as quest list to put a kinda page as in order of quests instead of looking in number order by place. (Slect by number or select by place)

 Asklan &dagger;  Talk &dagger;  12:55, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Well, then we could add to the end of the list in small font a link "see also doors and their respectives keys" (or something similar) this link would the Keys page.. what do you think?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 13:06, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

The present Keys page already is divided by area, so what do you mean by sorting it by doors? Once nice thing to do for each key, as it is still possible, is to provide a picture or link (tibia.pl?) to the corresponding location of the key's door. If this is done, should it be in a spoiler or not? I think that if a side list is made it should be by area (doors?) since the template already links to the Numerical List of Keys. I tend to have an idea of where most keys come from, but maybe others prefer to check by number..? Also could not two lists be added of location and numerical? --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 15:28, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Creature Templates
As you may or may not have noticed, I have been trying to make the creature pages more identical to each other (though not as fast as I had hoped). I have a couple of proposals concerning the creature pages. First, I would like to propose the deletion of the sub-sub-templates (ie necromancers) as most of the creatures in these categorys can be shared among many creatures and just seems to make an uneccesary loop in finding creatures. Second, I like how the item lists turned out and I was wondering if that could be done with the creature sub templates (ie human-like, animals). I don't know much about coding so I would probably need someone else to create the template. If a list template was created for each sub category, that would also make the previous sub templates deletable. Thanks and I can't wait to hear from you. ~ Uno time

I agree. Yes, I am working on a way to add lists similar to the items list, but there are some issues I need to work out first (I want to do it right the first time).

Expect to see something in the next week or so. Until then, it's probably best to just leave the "sub-sub-templates" as they are.

--'' <span title="(latin) How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?">Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 10:47, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I have an idea, maybe very simple and not creative, but it would copy somehow items infobox... Add a list of similar creatures to the right, and create a template similar to for creatures. It's not an original idea, but I think it's better than many sub sub sub templates..

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 12:33, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

One of the issues with creatures is that there is no "creaturetype" or "class" value, and I'm not sure how easy it would be to choose one for each creature (Maverick suggested this before). I am trying to figure out a "good" way to have multiple lists for any given creature, but the largest problem seems to be formatting and appearance... I'm having trouble getting something that is functional, looks good and is easy to read. I'm also in the middle of another project... but hopefully I'll get to this one soon.

-- <span title="(latin) Nobody expects the spanish inquisition">Nemo Hispanic Inquisition expectat  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:51, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Spoilers
I've moved mostly spoilers to notes field with some help from Maverick.

I've checked almost every item, but some items that that are obviously not used in quest, like most rubbish items and some other items I din't checked, so there's maybe one or another item needing spoiler move, but I'm sure 95%+ are OK. Also about the noinclude tags, I've added to some items, in the start I was not adding. I think it's necessary, as happened to Soft Boots, it appear on the main page and it's somehow strange, also for instruments, the notes field appear in the instruments list, so I added to all other edits noinclude tags to prevent anything like that. That was a hard work, but I think now there's nothing more to change to add items template on the infobox (if there's something else, this time I'll be surprised).

That's all for now

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 14:08, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

After doing that combo of edits, me and Pudd found out that there isn't a template for Quest Items to adequate with your latter infobox adjustment, and after we found it out, we figured it might of fall under the category of quest spoiling if we add it. This is because someone watching the Ice Pick page might see the item that is needed in a following mission, therefore we haven't done anything.

There are a lot of items that are still unsorted, but I'll keep finding them and fixing them out. If you need any major editing to adequate within your infobox adjustment please let us know. Although like Pudd had forementioned, it's hard to think anything else needed to be done..

-- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 19:13, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

You were right about the noinclude tags, Pudd. I didn't remember about the "Featured" template for items, and I was thinking that the "notes" were not used in any other templates.

I added the items template to the infobox. If you guys see anything else the looks weird with it, let me know. Thanks for all the hard work!

-- <span title="(latin) If you can read this you're over-educated">Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:56, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

I'm not sure, but it seems these changes created a "huge" bug on several templates, just like on Character_Information. After some tests, Maverick and I concluded it has to do with the items, and these seem to be the only changes that were made to them recently.

15:00, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

For completeness, I just wanted to mention that the issue with this "bug" is discussed in the section "Troublesome bug" below.

--'' <span title="(latin) I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.">Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:13, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

gold coins
why it says on loot pages that "unknown" monster drops goldcoins

cant we make a item oage about gold and platinum coins? --  Farscaper  Talk   -- 11:51, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Um... I guess that would be alright. There are very few creatures that do not drop gold, so I'm not sure what would be best for the "dropped-by" list, but I think it would be fine to have pages for Gold Coin, Platinum Coin and Crystal Coin.

--'' <span title="(latin) I am not lost.">Neutiquam erro. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:06, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

I added them. Now just lootlists should be made to use those pages. --Ville-v 06:19, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Apology
Just saying am very sorry for making those eddits, I dint knew what to do when i saw him saying he is vandalising the site. I chose to revert his eddits and now i know thats not the best option, I will not make that again i dont whant to get banned from making eddits I whish to keep adding more good info to help players of Tibia. Still think we should keep an eye in "warlord" eddits some of them are clearly wrong and the small eddits in monsters attacks seems like ramdom numbers he choose to add. -  Kwigon the sharpshooter  Talk   -April-9-2007.

It's alright. It sounds like you have figured out what to do next time it happens. Basically, you can't let people get "under your skin" on a wiki.

--'' <span title="(french) Like a hair in the soup">Comme un cheveau sur la soupe. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:09, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Troublesome bug
I don't know what the heck is wrong, but I think that after your latter infobox item adjustment, all the templates that had the equips set are jerked. Check your character page and it shows that there is an unrecognised expression in there. The same goes for most of the pages, I don't know what's wrong neither do I know how to debug the problem..

Hope you can do something about it, -- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 15:12, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

I think I know what the problem is.... I'll check it out.

-- <span title="(latin) Big Brother is watching you">Magnus Frater te spectat  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:43, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Okay... it's not a problem with the Items infobox... its a few of the changes you guys made to some of the items pages.

Everywhere you added a &lt;p&gt; to fix some formatting.... it either needs to be removed, or it needs to be closed. (see this edit and edit to see how I fixed these pages).

The wiki software sees the opening &lt;p&gt;, and it tries to "guess" where to put the closing &lt;/p&gt;... this is what is causing this problem. You either need to use extra lines to manipulate the formatting, or you need to supply the closing &lt;/p&gt; where it belongs.

--'' <span title="(latin) If Caesar were alive, you'd be chained to an oar.">Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:19, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

If the P tags are causing these formattings problems, why not include them in the Spoiler template? Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work to add them all one by one...


 * — Mathias (profile, talk) · Favelets · Formulas — 09:12, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Nice idea, but not possible. The spoiler block is a MediaWiki extension, not a template.... and the opening &lt;p&gt; tags are on the individual item pages, so that's where they need to be fixed.

The "&lt;p&gt;" was added when Maverick and Pudd were moving spoilers into the notes section... they added the p tags to make it look better, but they didn't add the closing "&lt;/p&gt;".

I'm not upset or anything, just letting you guys know what happened, and how it can be fixed.

--'' <span title="(french) Like a hair in the soup">Comme un cheveau sur la soupe. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 09:23, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Doh. I thought that "&lt;/p&gt;" tag was a linebreaker, and I had no idea it had to be closed.. I'll talk with Pudd to fix that mess, I'm sorry Whitelaces.

-- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 13:38, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

It's alright. Just some extra work. Actually, Master Player is mostly done fixing it all.

--'' <span title="(italian) How unfaithful are Italian men, really?">Quanto sono infedeli, in realta, gli uomini italiani? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:59, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Uff, finally done :P I hope I added the proper 's everywhere they were needed ^^ At least, seems userpages are fine again :)

14:44, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks, Master Player. Everything looks good now.

-- <span title="(latin) Completely naked">in puris naturalibus  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:49, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

I din't know it had to be closed. I could not login for the past 2 days, but I think it's mostly solved (thanks Master Player). If I see any page missing  I'll edit it, through it was just like   tag...

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 08:49, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Vandalism by Bluegel
The user Bluegel ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

The user Bluegel ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, -- 18:39, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Bluegel has been blocked for 1 month. --Erig 19:00, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks for the report, Genosonic, and Thanks for taking care of it, Erig.

-- <span title="(latin) Nobody expects the spanish inquisition">Nemo Hispanic Inquisition expectat  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:40, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

After looking at his contribs, I would have given him more than a month ban. No worries, if he continues to vandalize like this after his ban is lifted, then I'm sure none of the admins will have any empathy for him.

--'' <span title="(latin) I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.">Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 08:33, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

how to make a content box and edit buttons that are with a new subject on my userpage?
Bleeeeh tpoic says all --  Farscaper  Talk   -- 02:14, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

I don't think I understand what you are asking about. You mean like the "Add a New Comment" link on the top of my talk page?

-- <span title="(latin) Big Brother is watching you">Magnus Frater te spectat  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:48, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Add New Comment

--Ville-v 05:53, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

--- yup and the "edit section button" to the right of the subject --  Farscaper  Talk   -- 05:55, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

no not that just it is handy for me to have a edit button or i would scroll down so far ;/

The "[edit]" link by each section is added automatically by the wiki software when you have a heading on the page. Some templates suppress the section edit links, though, to prevent unwanted functionality. You can find a little more about this on this page.

Is that what you mean?

-- <span title="(latin) Yes, that is a very large amount of corn.">Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:00, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

infobox item typo
I have seen that in a few shields page there seems to have something wrong with the infobox that is causing to an additional comma to be placed in the end of the defense line. Check for example the Vampire Shield and the Bone Shield. Although both uses the infobox item as a base template, only the bone shield has the forementioned inappropriate comma. I don't know how does the infobox works, so I'm just reporting it here.

Thanks, -- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 09:17, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

It is probably a whitespace problem. I'll take a look at it.

-- <span title="(french) It's the finish of the greenbeans">C'est la fin des hericots  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:21, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

It was actually related to the different ways that people write "yes" and "no" ("No.", "No", "Yes", "yes.", etc. etc. etc.) It should be fixed now.

-- <span title="(french) It's the finish of the greenbeans">C'est la fin des hericots  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:22, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Nushy Vandal
The user Nushy ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary. you better take a look at all edits of this users, id consdier a ban. Sincerely, User:disaster monteiro

Looks like Erig took care of it. Thanks for the report!

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:18, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Is Eva a male?
The description of the banker in Carlin, Eva, may contain an incorrect form ('He exchange...') and has bad grammar. OK, the grammar I could change, but about the sex I'm not sure.

I suppose, the NPC is female, as a male character in Carlin shouldn't be feasable...

 &rarr; May the Force be with you &larr;  --  Ereglam &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 04:15, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Eva is a female. You are also correct that the phrase was improperly. I have fixed it.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:18, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Showing another page in my page
Hello :) i made my damage calculator on a sub-page as u told me on bug reports page ,But Can you tell me please if i can somehow show this sub-page in my main user page?

I added another comment on the bug reports page. It should provide you with another option if you want to put the damage calculator back on your main user page.

-- <span title="(latin) Hold my calls">Fac ut nemo me vocet  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:20, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

About Equips Set template
After yours last change (I'm not sure but I think it was after that), the template is not showing ring and belt images, even if you fill the info... Just look here to see by yourself. It works on the Template:Equips Set Basic, I don't know if I did something wrong or if it's the template

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 12:41, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

Mine is the same way. User:Slug_the_third/EquipmentSet <span style="small-caps;border: 2px solid rgb(0,0,164)"><span style="background-color:White; color:rgb(0,0,255)" title="My Profile"> Slug the third <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:rgb(0,0,164); color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:rgb(0,0,164)" title="My Contributions"> Contriutions   13:09, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

Mine too... Art Featherpitch - The mispseller - Spam Me 02:04, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

It should be fixed now. I accidentally left those two out when linking the Equips_Set_Basic template. Thanks for letting me know!

-- <span title="(latin) I am odd, therefore I am">Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:56, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Warlock Mortimer
This guy has been editing the attack peaks on various creatures and they seem unproper. I have a feeling he's a vandal. Art Featherpitch - The mispseller - Spam Me 17:47, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

He has already been in an edit war with User:Kwigon the sharpshooter previously, but i do not think he is intentionally trying to cause problems. Frankly, without knowing the actual calculations for every monster's attacks i do not know how you could easily sum up every monsters max damage. There are too many factors, which do change with updates, to be sure. Art, i think as long as the numbers are close it should not be a big deal. If a troll's max damage is changed from 30 to 100, that looks like vandalim, not a GS's max from 270 to 300. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 18:15, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

From what I can tell, DM's observation is correct. It does not appear to be vandalism. If there are specific changes he has made that are questionable, please talk to him about it, or ask on the creature talk page. We should always check eachother's edits to make sure no "bad" information is being added to the wiki.

-- <span title="(latin) My dog ate it">Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:25, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

I have blocked Warlock Mortimer, but not because of the content of his edits.... he was warned to discuss his edits, and then he continued to engage in edit wars over minor things.

Art, I also placed a warning on your talk page for warring over the same edits. Wikipedia has a three-revert rule that seems appropriate for determining if you are in an edit war or not.

--'' <span title="(latin) If Caesar were alive, you'd be chained to an oar.">Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:12, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

New Monster
countess sorrow

--Erig 01:06, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

woot prolly a lost soul boss ;) bcause of the name --  Farscaper  Talk   -- 01:10, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Most likely it is Nightmare's boss, because Bazir's Throneroom doesn't have any boss yet. --Ville-v 02:51, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

I added a new page for her. I'm just speculating here, but it sounds like a Priestess-looking boss to me.

--'' <span title="(latin) Hey! Did you nail my sandals to the floor?">Salve! Crepidas meas per clavos ad solum adfixinte? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:38, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Proposal for new category
Hey Whitelaces, Many items on the wiki aren't in a category, especially the loot from bosses (such as orshabaal's brain, countess sorrow frozen tear, imperor's trident). Most likely more of these items will come (possibly juggernaut boss). Mamny of these items are now valuables or creature products. So how about making a category "Boss trophies" or something like that?

It might be useful to have a list like that, but I also think they should be placed in categories by what type of item it is...

For example, the imperor's trident should probably be in the "Tools" category, with the pitchfork, rake, and other tools ... Orshabaal's brain should be in the "Creature Products" category, etc., etc.

No matter what different lists (or how many lists) an item is on, the "itemclass" should always be descriptive of the item's primary function in-game, or in real life if it has no known function in-game.

--'' <span title="(italian) How unfaithful are Italian men, really?">Quanto sono infedeli, in realta, gli uomini italiani? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:09, 24 April 2007 (PDT)