Talk:Loot Statistics

Inclusion
I want to include all creatures of Category:Loot Statistics automaticly, but does not work. Is there a way to do this? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Uh ... because Template:Loot Statistics doesn't exist...? I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

But you'll most likely need DPL to include the list, unless you plan to manually update it. -- Sixorish 18:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't explain this very good, this is what I want: if page is in category:loot statistics then link it on this page. I know this can be done with DPL, I just wondered if it can be done without. I made a typo in my first post, I meant of course. I thought using the curly brackets did include the contents of a page, like used with TibiaWiki:About on the main page. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It can't, because the category's contents is virtual and isn't actually on the page. In any case, there are user pages on this list, so even if it could we would want to filter those ones out. -- Sixorish 18:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

However, given that the strain on the server DPL causes is significantly less when it's just a link (thereby not transcluding any page at all), the DPL is fine here. -- Sixorish 18:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. It filters out userpages by default? (I thought you would add notcategory or something). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Check the source: -- Sixorish 18:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, that is clarifying. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 04:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Rich Text Editor
I always wondered why people added numbers to the template while this is not needed (e.g. [ this] revision). I think it's the fault of the rich text editor, which I tested 1 minute ago for the first time and I don't really like it. It's obviously made to ease the life of editors which are not experienced with codes, but I think it makes things only more difficult. Look at this image as an example, is it easy to see what you're doing? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 15:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

TibiaMl
They made some stats too here. Can be usefull to compare if you're not sure about an edit. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 13:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Version
I'm adding the version parameter, removing notes like Update 8.5 and doing a general review on all loot statistics pages listed on this page. I'm at the S now, but it takes a lot of time so any help is welcome. If you're not sure what version to add, look in the history and compare with Updates dates. Edit: I'm done, thanks everybody who helped. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 21:48, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

What about dates where people added stuff from videos? -- Sixorish 23:20, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, will we need to add the template to pages which don't have 8.54 statistics to utilize the JavaScript feature? I'm assuming the script automatically edits pages based on input - I haven't tried it, doesn't seem to work for some reason (perhaps skin compatibility or some such) -- Sixorish 02:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't quite work in firefox yet, due to a bug, I suggest trying Google Chrome or something. It works like this: if there are no stats with version=8.54 on the page, it will add a new template, if there are stats found with version=8.54 then it combines them. So stats with older versions, are not necessary to edit to make the parser work, but I still want them to be edited, for a universal way to show the version (let the template do it). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 08:19, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Data?
I didn't know where else to look, but I'm getting a Wrong data in Old Statistics(1) error so I'm not able to update any of the loot easily. I didn't know where else to look, but is anyone else getting this problem? Thanks!. Leo Kinoske 10:33, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Is this to do with the version number? I guess if you're trying to upload old stats with the new log analyser it will assume you are trying to upload them for the current client and not an older one. If that is the case you need to use the loot merger to get the stats with the correct version as well as using the log analyser to get the template (and just removing the version number 8.54), otherwise it will join old stats (yours) with stats from the current game. beejay 10:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

It might be the other computer I use. This one worked just fine on the first tries. Leo Kinoske 16:32, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Number of kills
is it possible to add number of monsters next to monster name? I mean the monsters listed at the end of the page.

now: Barbarian Bloodwalker/Loot Statistics

desirable: Barbarian Bloodwalker/Loot Statistics - 34 kills
 * I tried - just due to having prior loot stats resulting in multiple templates I can't simple dpl the kills in. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 17:30, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

DPL concerns - not completing the list
It appears that there's a limit to the amount of items included by DPL. Warlock/Loot Statistics for example, is missing (in fact, anything beyond Ushuriel is). -- Sixorish 14:04, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

That's too bad... Wel'll have to think of a work-around then. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:51, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do we need the red links? If no then we can use, User:Craggles/loot. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 20:27, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

And when the red links become blue? It doesn't resolve anything, just causes problems in the long-term. -- Sixorish 10:28, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree it's only a quick fix but we'll still be using dpl in the future, so if we ever fix our current problem it'll fix our future problem too. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 16:35, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is fixed now, the same can be done with User:Craggles/loot too when we have more creatures with loots, I believe default DPL limit is 500 --Daniel Letalis 07:19, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

add all kills with 1 button
is it possible to add all kills taken from server log with only 1 click? Without clicking each button for each monster?

Jura 09:07, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

although it might look easier, I don't think that's a good idea. I usually don't upload the monster stats of which I have very few kills. Why would I want to add the kill of one rat for example? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:24, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Some monsters live in separated groups - one of reasons. 1 kill from you, 1 from another person - and we have already 2 kills. If you upload 5 kills of rats, 3 kills of spiders, 2 kills of poison spiders, 5 kills of bugs,1 kill of carniphila, 2 kills of wasp - in real you added 18 kills, what is kinda significant amount. Jura 15:17, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, all monster kills should be added to the system. I'm in complete agreement with Jura. TheKillerNacho 15:51, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

It would save time which would be useful but personally I can live with a few extra clicks if the effort to make it possible is too much. Although, it would be handy for people who run around areas like POI where you can find many different creatures and for those who like to save up a few stats before submitting them on here. beejay 16:57, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * How does the loot parser handle pages like Thief (Creature) ?
 * It doesn't, I can update so it has a list of exceptions that redirect each special name creature to the correct page, I will do that in some days.--Daniel Letalis 02:33, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

About adding all kills with 1 button, it isn't too complicated to implement but I'm not sure if it should be added because it would be many pages edits with 1 click, dunno, doesn't seem right to me.

--Daniel Letalis 02:33, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * new loot namespace would solve the problem of many pages edits by simply hiding them. Maybe just add a possibility to add with one click and leave the old system "alive" too? Jura 20:26, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

It's not too complicated to click a few buttons to upload a few things, is it?

Everything you kill should be uploaded to get accurate loots! derp Leo Kinoske 18:59, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm making tests with the parser for uploading with 1 click, It works perfect but I don't like it's display, you can test/upload anything there(is just for testing and data uploaded there won't be added to tibia.wikia stats), leave comments on the discussion page there, thanks.

http://dantest.wikia.com/wiki/Loot_Statistics

--Daniel Letalis 00:21, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Problem with loot statistic data
How can I hide changes of Loot Statistic in "Recent Changes" and in "My Home"? Jura 17:46, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you can in Home, but in Recent Changes there is a link just under "find users" named Hide Loot Statistics, or you can go: namespace, loot statistics and click exclude. beejay 17:51, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Should the link be more outstanding, so people can easier see it? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

About summons
Anyone has ideas of how to filter summons from loot statistics?

--Daniel Letalis 15:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Usually summon kills are grouped with a leader shortly after they die; you could create an exception list for which your script analyzes their placement (if they're empty) to find a nearby leader? It would give a smaller error than keeping those kills in, anyway. -- Sixorish 20:43, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ask CIP if they mark summons with some word/symbol in the server log? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:52, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

What good would asking CIP do? If there is a difference, we can't see it and we can't copy it to clipboard. It really won't do us any good. -- Sixorish 02:50, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe someone can make a proposal about not letting the summons appear in the server log. Or maybe that since summons are always empty they could change it so that you can't open the dead bodies of summons. That would make them similar to snakes or fire elementals.

Nevaran 12:08, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I would like Neveran's idea but cipsoft doesn't change this kind of stuff even when many people ask for it in many proposal threads and is easy to do (like making loot in the middle of screen optional)(yeah right full time tibia client developers), I guess I will have to figure out something like the filter Sixorish suggested.

--Daniel Letalis 06:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Loot/Loot Statistics on Creature Page
I posted this on the Infobox Creature template talk page, but I guess it's relevant here, too. I think it would be more beneficial and interesting for users if the 'loot' link on this template (the one right before all loot is listed) linked to the loot statistics page for the creature instead of the general page for loot. As it stands, there is no link from a creature's page to its loot statistics page and this change would sort of make sense and give viewers an estimated rarity of loot.Kharzad Ironfist 17:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * As it stands, there is no link from a creature's page to its loot statistics page

Isn't there? I'm not sure what you mean if there isn't. Check the parenthesis at the end of their loot listing. -- Sixorish 19:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, so there is. Kharzad Ironfist 00:05, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Would you prefer the link to be to the left under the link to loot? It's there to be noticed, and if you missed it then it's clearly not doing a good job there. -- Sixorish 00:33, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

No, that's probably not necessary. I feel pretty oblivious for missing it, now, but I haven't noticed the link since whenever it was added. I think it's fine and less obtrusive (though that might've been my problem) at the end of the loot list. Kharzad Ironfist 15:11, March 23, 2010 (UTC)