Talk:Administrator Team/Archive 2

New preprocessor
Soon we will be updating to the new preprocessor which may cause some periodic negative effects (such as page layout distortions, odd " 's" appearing over the tables, expression errors etc.) A null-edit should fix these issues, but that may not always be the case. The only suspected issues are of some User: pages using specific templates, and some food/weapon pages, but may occur on some other pages. You can report issues here or by using the "Report a problem" feature. I will be putting a site notice up when it's in use. (You can also report missing items on page overviews like Shields if you like, but a null-edit would be much quicker) -- Sixorish 12:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

What exactly is a preprocessor, and why does it needs to be updated. And who editted that notification which is on the top of every page? Is it a mediawiki file? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Preprocessor; thing that makes templates etc look like they are, it "translates", etc.

Needs updating because over time Wikia will update to the new one, since it's faster and less buggy etc. Doesn't matter when it gets updated, but we figured now would work.

Last one; MediaWiki:Sitenotice (if you decide to change it, also increase the number on MediaWiki:Sitenotice id).

Temahk 18:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

DPL Templates
Can anyone help me fixing the Attributes column in the DPL Templates (Template:DPLPARM Armor.include, Template:DPLPARM Armor.table and Template:DPLPARM Armor.tablerow)?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 22:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. I changed "attributes" to "attrib" as it is in the Template:Infobox Item. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me

Thanks, DM. I just saw attributes in Template:DPLPARM Item.include and copied it.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 01:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

RC Patrols
How does m:Help:Patrolled edit sound to you guys? it basically adds a button to mark an edit as "patrolled", and unpatrolled edits would have an exclamation mark next to them on Special:RecentChanges. It would save some time when we go through edits to find vandals, etc. Of course, if it were implemented only admins would be able to mark it (that doesn't include you Temahk... ohcrap!), well OK..maybe autoconfirmed users... -- Sixorish 10:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Although you usually can quickly see if an edit is vandalism (only not if the vandal adjusted a very small amount of text) it seems a quite good feature. My vote is: yes! ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

We used to have this function, but they did not reset when there were new edits after an admin patrolled the article and more recent pages have not had that option. If there is a way to adjust it, then yes it is a good thing. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 21:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know we had that at one point, but that behavior doesn't seem normal, maybe it was a bug? (which would probably be fixed by now) I suppose if it doesn't perform as expected we can always have it turned back off. -- Sixorish 07:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

We probably need to ask the wikia staff to install it, can you give it a shot, sixorish? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 14:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I have contacted them about it, and they just turned it on..wow, that was faster than expected. Anyone in favor of allowing IPs to edit? meaning, they won't need to sign up. It would increase the amount of people who edited (at least I think it would), I'm not sure why we have it protected to logged in users anyway, vandalism has never been a big issue. -- Sixorish 06:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC) I notice any edit I make now is already marked as patrolled, the exclamation mark is probably limited to edits of people who don't have the permission to mark it themselves. -- Sixorish 06:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, the patrol thing works indeed. I think, this wiki has always been more protected-like than other wikis, more and more important pages get protected due to vandalism. The IPs to edit, is that something we can turn on/off? If so, I would say: give it a try for ~1 month. If it attracts too much vandalism we can always turn it off. Edit: that probably only works from now on, my older edits are still marked. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, this is really weird. I don't see any button to mark it, how do I do this? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

press "diff" on one of the marked things in recentchanges, you'll see something like: the "Mark as patrolled" will only appear on things mark with the exclamation mark, people who are autoconfirmed (been around for 4+ days I think) don't have it, e.g User:VixonElnosta‎ was just edited, see this, there should be a [mark as patrolled] link. -- Sixorish 07:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Received an email back from them, "If you would like changes made in who can mark edits as patrolled, or who's edit are auto-patrolled, please let us know." - I'll request they change it so that only sysops' edits are auto-patrolled, but leave marking for autoconfirmed (if possible) -- Sixorish 07:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I got it working now. If it is possible it would also be good if edits of userpages are also excluded from being exclamated. Because the partrolling is to prevent vandalism, right? Who cares if someone vandalizes his own userpage. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I included that in my email, but I'm not quite sure if there's an option to set namespace exclusion, guess we'll find out soon. -- Sixorish 09:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

They emailed me back with as I expected, they don't think it's possible to auto-patrol user namespace pages, and all pages should become "patrolled" after about 30 days without being checked on. -- Sixorish

Ok, after having it some time, I want to give some feedback. I think it doesn't really work. There are too much small edits to review them all, and mark them as patrolled. What's the difference between no exclamation marks and everywhere exclamation marks? I don't know a solution, please give more feedback anyone. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I was going to say the same thing; I will contact wikia to disable it again tomorrow if nobody objects. -- Sixorish 19:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Averthith Solifitrotus
Should we create an article about ? Since she was the first to reach magic level 100 (as we can see here and here). Don't forgot to list Averthith Solifitrotus here.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Good one, I vote to list him. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I created Averthith Solifitrotus article and added it to Distinctive Characters list. Feel free to add more informations to Averthith Solifitrotus.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 19:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Sunrise
Seems that Art thinks Sunrise was the only Rookgaard character who used to own a house, how can Art be sure? Since all characters with no vocation could bid on houses, I think Sunrise wasn't the only. I think that Sunrise was just the Rooker who used to own a house for more time (feel free to rewrite it).

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you are right, maybe not. The only one I heard of owning a house in rook was Sunrise though. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikia messages to admins
I suggest that when Wikia sends admins messages relevant to the whole wiki that the message in part be put on MediaWiki:Sitenotice if it is needed. For now i will put the note about the edit disable on 9am - 10am UTC Tuesday. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 02:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Image Licensing
For a few weeks you're able to select a license when uploading an image. When doing so, non-existing templates will be called, thus creating a red link. I discussed this with a friend and we think licenses for tibiawiki materials are not needed, since everything must be strictly about tibia and thus automatically is copyrighted by Cipsoft. Do you guys agree with me we should have this license removed, if possible (maybe it's mediawiki stuff nobody has control over)? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

''Everyone is invited to use pictures from the official website or from the game for the fansite as long as they mention www.Tibia.com as source of the used material. This doesn't mean that you have to "sign" every single screenshot, but it is necessary that these information can be found at the website.'' This information can be found on TibiaWiki:About which is used on the Main Page. We don't need those "license templates".

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 13:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

the licensing were wikia's default, new wikis they host are given templates to 'start off' and I guess we were given the default (but not the templates), licensing is held at MediaWiki:Licenses. I created it and it should be gone now. -- Sixorish 14:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that was easier than I thought (although I must admit I didn't check up which mediawiki file it was). P.S. Six, I'm not a girl.. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Image Bug
Some images (e.g. Image:Gladiator.gif and Image:Mutated Bat.gif) are bugged and the current version isn't showed, if you try see their current version (here and here) the message Not found (error to origin) is showed instead the image.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

see this, might be why... it works for me (as it did back then as well). -- Sixorish 18:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Week 1, 2008
Why is ", 2024 " wrong? The Main Page is using the Featured NPC, Featured Creature and Featured Item from Week 1, 2008, and is not asking for new featureds. The " " should be 53, since it's still 2008.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 15:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Ehm, a year only has 52 weeks, week 53 does not exist and shouldn't/can't be used. Maybe it sounds weird but it IS already week 1. Week 1 goes from December 29 till January 4. So everything is working correct :) although it might seem confusing. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 15:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Then the " 2024 " should be 2009.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 16:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it's technically still 2008, you can't consider it week 53 since it doesn't exist, and MediaWiki doesn't have a "week 53", year number will turn over when it hits jan 01, until then you can only make a temporary change to the main page to use 2009 versions. -- Sixorish 16:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

About Lord de los Druidas listed in TibiaWiki:Administrators
Since Lord de los Druidas was desysopped, I think that he should be listed as a former administrator. Does anyone agree with me?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, whatever you think is best. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

"desysopped" is not a word, neither is "sysop" for that matter. I can not presently think of a better word, but it should be changed. Also it is true that he was removed (in a good way) and did not just quit, but it is still a retirement by definition. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 20:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

"Desysopped" is the word used by Wikipedia. I couldn't think of a better word too, this is the reason for "desysopped". I agree, it should be changed.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 19:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

"He got the boot" would be the most fitting for you grammar freaks. -- Maverick the hunter 20:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Standard Wiki Skin
Hello guys, I just accidentally looked at the wiki on a new browser, not logged-in and saw the default skin is weird. So I checked it up and the default skin is set to smoke, while I'm using sapphire. I'm proposing to set the default to sapphire, would that be ok with you? Although I don't have very good arguments, mainly because I like sapphire more than smoke and it's annoying to have another skin when viewing the wiki logged-out. So, please give your opinion. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont like the Monaco skin at all. But the sapphire version does look better than the smoke version. I really do not like the yellow bars etc. If my vote counts, pick the sapphire version!

Temahk 19:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't use it, but imo sapphire is a lot better and I think the majority of viewers would prefer the sapphire skin. -- Sixorish 19:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you guys :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It took me a long time to get used to MonoBook and now you change things on me again! I suppose i can live with it, and sapphire blue is a calming color, although i do not mind the smoke yellow. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 20:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I vote sapphire skin Kwigon the sharpshooter 20:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Some things to discuss
Hello guys, I want to discuss some things, well and ask some things. First: is there a way to look back in the Recent Change further than 500 edits? Because I haven't been on the wiki one or two days, and I can't look back everything what has changed. Secondly: Maverick reminded something to me, do we (admins) have a policy in how long to block users? Is it worth to make a standard on different crimes = different block times? Also, taking the sitenotice DM created literally, all links to tibia.pl should be deleted (like map links to tibia earth), anyone votes to do this? I mean, they are unsupported, I can imagine people don't want to get hacked and stuff.. I think, that's about it. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

@RC: Below are the last 5,000 changes in the last 7 days, as of 19:25, 11 January 2009. Just change the number in the link (limit=number).

Temahk 17:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

There was more i considered writing for the sitenotice, but i wanted to keep it short. There are other safe websites like Wikipedia that we allow and some unsupported sites. I wrote it mostly as a warning due to the recent mass vandalism on quest pages, since they linked to outside sites that were dangerous. Personally i think tibia.pl is fine, but it is understandable if we discontinue all links there. Bennie, when you adjust the recent changes limit, you can also change it in the url to larger numbers (i.e. ) like Temahk said. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 17:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks (could have figured that out myself, feeling a bit dumb right now). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that we should make some standards on block durations, blocking for year(s) for a minor act of vandalism which people might accidentally do isn't encouraging people to come contribute. -- Sixorish 10:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

or
I noticed that some admins use, I would know what is the difference between and  ?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 19:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The  closes the tag without any contents. on the other hand leaves the tag open, but still causes no harm (but may not be friendly with (X)HTML validators..), think of as good practice of using X(HT)ML syntax. The difference is minimal; since the wiki software generates  automatically even if just is used. -- Sixorish 20:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

But I think is wrong, only is good, isn't it? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no reason for them to be any different, the whitespace does nothing but make the source look a little prettier. (inserted some nowiki tags in your message so I don't look weird) @Wikipedia section "Common errors": Not closing empty elements (elements without closing tags in HTML4). Incorrect:. Correct: . Note that any of these are acceptable in XHTML:, '''  and ''' -- Sixorish 08:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Kinda bad eddits by NeWsOfTzzz
Am worried that NeWsOfTzzz don't care what I say in his User talk:NeWsOfTzzz about the data he lost or the bad edditeds on some monster when he did the "(Removing deprecated parameters)", and he has not fixed those mistakes nor seems to actnoledge he did a mistake. Is there a way to force him to recheck his eddits and make him fix the errors or should I just undo all his "(Removing deprecated parameters)" he did cause the ones I check he lost data (monster immune to something now it does not say it anymore) or the data changed to be missleading. (mosters where inmune to something now says its neutral) Kwigon the sharpshooter 03:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a few examples and how they should be fixed in your opinion? I don't think he intended to destroy data, although that doesn't make it less bad. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Like I say: Vampire says neutral to drown and life drain, not inmmune to drunk, I fix it he used to say inmmune to all that. Wyvern: he delete that they inmmune to drunkness (I fix it too) Bonebeast: Is now neutral to life drain (is wrong cause it used to say inmmmune to life drain, I haven't fixed it) He did eddits on around 50 monsters pages, hes the one changing the old sistem to the new sistem, he atleast should have move the old data to the new sistem wichout making mistakes. Yes I could check eddit by eddit he did and fix it, but he should doit and he does not wants to doit thats the problem I guess. (I already spend time before finding if a monster where immune to something for him to delete the info or chang it) Kwigon the sharpshooter 14:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

FanArt
Since it seems a common thing now, should we make it similar to the /History pages? users like to add them to the bottom without noinclude tags, causing pages using the /List template to include them, having a separate page should remove the issues. -- Sixorish 10:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you give an example? You mean fanart like drawed by fans or screenshots of them slaying a monster? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Grim Reaper, the external link to here -- Sixorish 16:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Revising policy on user image uploads
Since users like to upload things and decorate their user pages, I think something should be done to prevent it turning in to some "photobucket alternative", something like: does anyone have thoughts on this? -- Sixorish 10:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * limit users to x user-specific images, "user-specific" would mean images which serve no informative purpose for the wiki, the amount could be a constant or a variable which is influenced by main namespace edits.
 * images should be uploaded with a suitable name, "Image:User Abc-1.jpg" vs. "Image:lol.jpg"
 * images can be marked for deletion if the uploader has not been active for months. before deletion the user should be notified via talk or email and given a weeks (+/-) time to respond
 * user specific images can be deleted after x (a week?) of it not being in-use (I figure a week is enough time to link an image)

I totally agree. I hate people who spam the wiki with bad named images, I don't really care how much it is but the bad naming is frustrating. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an admin..obviously but maybe on the welcome note for users there could be some information warning users that if they upload images with bad names they may be deleted or wrote on the upload image page or something. If they know first hand before uploading images maybe less will upload them with bad names. beejay 16:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

That could work, but I doubt most people would even notice a warning message on the top of a page -- Sixorish 17:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

To know such a thing we must know more about our users. Like: do they speak english fluently? Although, even if they it might not be enough. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, is it ok to delete images only used on user pages when extension is uppercased? Or would that be rude. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I would say that's fine, since there's a note about that on the TibiaWiki:Standards page -- Sixorish 17:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's take this user as an example gaga~'s list of contributions consist of 2 contributions: his user page and an image on it. Obviously that is not the purpose of tibiawiki. I'm planning a major check up of the file list to filter out ALL uppercased extensions and bad images (and catagorizing them), any help is welcome. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Out of courtesy i would recommend that when you reupload someone's image that you deleted that you note credit to them in the summary. This is not always necessary, but some people put an effort into their images, so it would be a good thing to do. On a side note i am rather busy in the world beyond but i will contribute when i can, and you will know when i have more time --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 19:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Instead of marking for deletion, I'm going through the file archives and putting the images that need changes on the 'Images For Replacement' catogory. I can, too, manually replace them later. Yurilaszlo 16:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll start deleting user- specific images if the uploader hasn't been around for around two months. I doubt they'll ever come back to notice but if they do come back their images can be restored. -- Sixorish 14:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Reporting a vandal
User:Robink321 doing bad stuff on Refugia page Kwigon the sharpshooter 12:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Dealt with thanks -- Sixorish 14:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Another vandal User:Thepondus. beejay 05:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

He's gone for two weeks -- Sixorish 05:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Would an admin check out this persons edits? Please. :) beejay 18:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Done, thank you :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Darudus Zyrode keeps creating new pages about characters (not user pages). Like this one: http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Xauni What can be done? Kseni Of Chimera 19:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I only saw one new page he created, which is deleted. If he keeps doing this you can politely explain on his talk page why he shouldn't. On this wiki we work with the following system: first warn, then block. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 21:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Policy Question
Hey guys, I have a question, what should we do with users which only have contributions on their own userpage, and only image uploads of their own advantages, like this guy? I know Sixorish already once said to one of such users, you could better use an image upload site, instead of using tibiawiki as a photobucket. On the real wikipedia there is a very harsh policy about images, licensing is very important, but also the use of the images. I don't say we need to be that strict, but I think we must be clear, tibiawiki is not intended for this. What do you guys think? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 10:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree and there are websites out there for people to do this kind of thing like tibiaml, maybe forwarding people to it would be a good idea, then again..Im not perfect. I just dont like how the recent changes is usually full of userpage edits.. beejay 07:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I think there should be a 1 image limit if they are not regular contributors. Give them a 1 week/month warning (and recommendation to another image hosting site) and then remove extra/all images. Another consideration is user pages that were created by other users (i.e. User:Rayn Kaorry). I asked on the creators talk page about the purpose of the page and suggested... if the person for whom the page is named not will not make a TibiaWiki account then the page should be moved as an extension of the creators user page, then deleted. On the other hand i think it is fine for someone to create their friends user page before they join, as long as it is clearly not vandalism/insulting. This can be tricky, but is also common sense. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 22:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The user Rayn Kaorry is registered, whether or not it's Kseni is another matter. -- Sixorish 22:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

At least in other cases people have made user pages for their secondary characters or for friends and the accounts under those names were not registered. I was not sure in this case when i saw Rayn Kaorry made, but it serves as an example. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 03:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, sounds fair enough (warning --> action). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Title
I just noticed on every page From TibiaWiki is added, below the title. Is this something we did in the mediawiki files, wikia did, something always has been there but I never noticed it or something else? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, didn't see that, was reverting changes Wikia made and must've added too many to the list. I'll change it back. -- Sixorish 20:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
After clicking ~100 times one moment ago I wondered if there is an option to rollback ALL edits of one account at once, this is easy when a vandalism account goes unnoticed for a while. If there is no option like that, maybe it would be smart to make such an extension. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 14:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

There are no extension to do this that i am aware of, but there is a script on Wikipedia used to block all of one users edits. You would have to make sure that the vandal only has bad edits since it appears it would revert all of their edits. There are others but this seems to be the recommended one. I have not had a chance to use it yet. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 21:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That's probably the only option left if they do this, sad to say - it looks like the http:// is a requirement to trigger the filter... On the plus side, the http:// is also needed to link to the site, so I would expect a large number of the viewers to realize it's illegitimate. -- Sixorish 22:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I sent wikia an email via their contact thing in regards to this, I would prefer something legal done about this (not sure if this can but it's worth a try), but 'at the very least' their entire IP ranges blocked... Hopefully blocked from viewing too. Anyway, if nothing then I guess we can protect the pages... It would be a shame to lock such a large part of the site. -- Sixorish 05:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you think it is the same person again and again? I cannot lookup IP adresses of users, you need oversight for that (?) but this really gets annoying so something must be done. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

We can only assume, they are spamming the same domain, after all. Which nic.ly (www.nic.ly/whois.php) the official Libya ccTLD, provides this of, from their WHOIS database (information of the owner of the domain): nvm, was a shortened link but reporting to them would probably be as useful as blocking them, no abuse email it seems. -- Sixorish 07:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Also I think the download is hosted on a Polish mirror... so they wouldn't actually host the malicious file. -- Sixorish 07:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, hope that works. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by that... I'm waiting for a staff response on the matter. I doubt they'll take legal action against it, but they can indefinitely block an IP range (I think) so, hopefully they'll do that. If not we can always protect the pages - it would be better to have talk page discussions on it rather than having 100 spam revisions per constructive edit. -- Sixorish 09:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, a small edit - adding/removing whitepsaces even, to the effected pages should 'fix' the issue with some pages which still display links for offline viewers, but people who have logged in recently cannot see the links, probably some technical reason for it... so, if people report issues please make a small edit before closing the report... (if anyone has time, feel free to edit all those articles...) I'll go through the report archives later/tomorrow, whenever I find time... -- Sixorish 18:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

A friend of mine could see the link on : http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Outfits_Quest/Spoiler I made a small edit and told her to check again but she can still see it. Any ideas? Kseni Of Chimera 20:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the page and restored with no vandalized revisions, how is it now? -- Sixorish 01:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem Report #19798 and Problem Report #19816 say that there was a hack link on Barbarian Arena Quest/Spoiler today. It's weird, because you deleted the vandalized revisions of that article yesterday.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

That's why I stopped deleting them, they don't seem to be doing anything. -- Sixorish 17:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Tibianews saw or hack attempts, here. Are quest pages still shown with vandalized version (I don't know how I can check that, guess I need to be in another part of the world)? An alternative to deleting and restoring is deleting and copy/pasting the content while creating the page new (but history will be deleted). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

see User talk:Uberfuzzy, it's a caching issue which has nothing to do with the current revision. Even if we delete them they'll see a non-existent page because their page had been cached. We need Wikia's technical team to fix whatever is causing it, nothing we can do. It's not just TibiaNews - there have been threads posted in the Tibia support boards too... -- Sixorish 16:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect edits
Chimera page have been a bit destroyed by incorrect edits lately and I have been resetign and correcting the information. However now I see that the lest 4 edits should all be undone. My question is, is it possible to undo them all or do I have to actually manually change it back to where it was? because I cant undo starting from the first since it says "other edits override it" and I dont want to undo only the last one cause I'll still have 3 left to manually correct? Will it work if I use the "undo" thing on all of them one by one? Thanks for the help! Kseni Of Chimera 17:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I'll try to answer anyways. You can open the "Edit this page" both for the correct page in the history and for the regular page. Then you copy all that text from the old correct page to the new one. That way you don't have to undo all the edits. I hope that was understandable. Feeling a bit tired atm ;p Nevaran 17:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

What Nevaran says is a good solution, I think that will work, good luck with it :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! That worked pretty good. Just for the future in case these ppl continue doing it, is it possible that they get warned or blocked from wiki for incorrect edits? (I dont think it's needed yet, but want to know in case it will be needed) Kseni Of Chimera 18:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, you could warn them, if that's what you're asking - there's nothing which separates admins from users when it comes to that, and if their contributions can be seen as vandalism, admins would do the very same. If they continue to do it, though, you'll need to have an admin block them (if necessary) -- Sixorish 22:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Tibia News Scarring People XD
From tibia news: Wikia Watchers Beware (updated by TibiaNews) All TibiaWiki users need to be cautious. Recently, individuals have taken to editing certain pages to trigger a download. Do not download these files! These files contain key loggers. Use your head, and you're account will be safe. The administrators should have the edited pages corrected soon.

Some people think they will get hacked just by entering the site, Right? or False?, or tibia news is talking abouth the noob that is changin the quest pages into hacklinks? Kwigon the sharpshooter 02:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The websites spammed aren't malicious themselves, but it redirects them to download a .scr file, which I can just about assure you is a trojan... So, you won't have accounts compromised unless you download and have it executed; and yes, they're talking about them... Though the issue is more or less resolved now. -- Sixorish 06:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Reporting a Hacker
Check User:Manezinhoo eddits. Kwigon the sharpshooter 15:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

He has been blocked. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 16:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Two more users: Manezinhow and Eu pra voce beejay 21:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Also I think -> Eu e vc  <- is a hacker too Kwigon the sharpshooter 22:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The users Manezinhow and Eu pra voce are already blocked.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 13:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Users Nowomowa124‎ and Nowomowa‎ vandalising, even though its pretty easy to see anyway beejay 20:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks they are blocked and the protection is put on again. It was just unprotected for a day, and the vandalism already started... ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I wish I could block people. But, I know where to get help if you guys arent around. :) beejay 20:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Fansite things
Hello guys, With being a supported/promoted fansite we have some benefits which we could use more efficiently. This doesn't need to be executed right now, but we can think about it to do in the future. First of all we can have "An exclusive interview with a CipSoft member once a year". Maybe this is a bit weird for a wiki, and more suitable for a fansite which posts news and has a forum but it is also a good way to get some exclusive info :) We could discuss who to interview and users can propose questions they want to know (maybe gaps in or wiki?, although they will probably not answer secrets). The second thing is "A unique ingame decoration item for your fansite, which the fansite can propose", which is a Heavily Bound Book in our case. But what's the point of having the sprite when you can't get the item? That's why we should think of a contest in which people can win it, like other fansites have done. Again, this might be more something for a community-like fansite with a forum and news posts, but if anyone can think of a nice contest it might be worth a try. It has to be original though, so making sprites, making movies, making tibia pies, stories or comics are already taken. What do you think, a go or a no go? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately most of the questions i have for CIP are ones they would not answer (about quests, secrets, etc.). Now as far as a contest goes, the idea that makes the most sense to me for an encyclopedia is a trivia contest based on special in-game knowledge or possibly facts found on TibiaWiki. It can be hard to implement, since people could easily have people helping them find answers (like tutor test cheaters) so the best would be in-game hidden things. Also we would have to balance being fair to a variety of players, such as low levels or freemiums who cannot go places to discover things. One version of this could be a "screenshot scavenger hunt" to either identity the location in a screen-shot or tell what is in that place. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 00:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The tutor fun board has a screenshot scavenger hunt, I heard. Art Featherpitch 01:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of contests, it might help round up new contributors; if we have CIPs permission then it would be great. Erig doesn't read this afaik so you'd need to ask him being the contact person and all. I wouldn't do it so often though, because having e.g two per week would severely reduce the rarity of it. Perhaps limit them to an ammount/world, or something. -- Sixorish 05:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

A contest something with knowledge and books would be great. I didn't mean twice a week, more like once a year (like other big events, like movie contest from tibiacity). If Erig and cip help we can have some nice prizes and stuff. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think a knowledge/books would suit tibia wiki very well and it would be different than most contests. :) beejay 21:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Tables
Referring to the Shops page, how would I go about making "blue djinn" and "green djinn" text one line below the rest? So as to make a little more room in the table for Rashid and Svargrond. beejay 21:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Rashid should be in the same line as the djinns, in my opinion. Art Featherpitch 08:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Its not complete but what do you think to User:Beejay/test? When I started doing it I knew it would be big but I didnt think that big.. beejay 21:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that is fine. The point is to show what the prices are in a given area, so having a column for Djinns and Rashid is appropriate. In general the table is not complete and the already recorded NPC prices should be used to fill it in. It is also not necessary to have items listed unless there is at least one (1) NPC that buys/sells it. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 03:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I realise that I missed a few things off such as rook/greenshore/HL. Im not sure if I missed any items, Ill add the prices when I have a bit more time. :) beejay 10:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you gonna have room for all that? -- Sixorish 10:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I didnt think there would be room unless the city names were shortened, thats why I left them off the page. What do you think to the items being ordered by their arm/attack value? I wasnt sure as to do it like that or alphabetically, but they are ordered by their value already, the armors and weapons are ordered alphabetically at the moment so should it stay like that or have the armors and weapons together? And the Buy/Sell column may be a little confusing..because on the NPCs pages the buy/sell mean what the npcs buy and not what players buy from them. beejay 16:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The idea of the page seems to me to be just about selling items to NPCs, not about item statistics. I do not imagine everyone would find this page useful, but is a good chart for comparing the best prices for several items at a time instead of going to each items page. The names could be shortened, as they originally were (i.e. Ankrahmun > Ank). A few ideas for shortening the page: Merge Hardeks prices with Thais OR place Hardek with the Djinns and Rashid, H.L. in a separate Shop article, maybe "Shop Traders" or just "Traders." This would free up some space for Rookgaard and future cities. Another potential idea is if some cities/towns/traders are identical to another that only a note is added expressing that fact or all their names are put in one column. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 17:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of the shops buying/selling the same items being put into one collumn and of a traders page (I forgot about Fibula too). Which do you think is best? I wouldnt mind the names being shortened either but as it is now there still wouldnt be much more room. This is going to take me a bit of time as Id like to go around the shops in game to double check what npcs trade. The npcs pages as far as I know are right however, there was a number of item pages which hadn't been updated (with the liberty bay/yalahar npcs).

I have got most of the npc trades in screenshots however, I need help with HL as I have no male characters.. I havent got greenshore or kaz yet, Ill do those at a later date (not planning on doing them soon). What about having a note somewhere (for the cities) about which trader npcs are involved in the "shops" page? I was on the venore page looking at the armor and equipment npcs and there are a few, I also think the npcs occupations could do for some changes. Such as Ahmet claims to sell general goods not equipment and Memech is a trader of weapons and equipment beejay 05:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I am working on Traders right now (Djinns, Hardek, Rashid); not sure if HL fits in that group, but can add him later. As to occupations, the generic job for a buyer/seller is Shopkeeper NPCs. NPCs do not always use the words we use for their occupation, we create our own categorise by what they buy/sell (i.e. Ahmet sells Equipment, so he is an Equipment Shopkeeper NPCs).

I see :) I just pressumed equipment to be armors, probably why I had such trouble finding the npcs. I have almost finished checking what npcs trade when Im done Ill update my test page and see about the kazordoon prices later (if it needs doing). On another note not all Jewelry NPCs are called it that, Gail/Ishina/Jessica/Hanna call it Jewellery they are the only ones I have checked so far. Do you think it should be changed? I feel the occupations of npcs should reflect the ones in game as much as possible. beejay 05:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

We kind of have a compromise with that. In the job line you put whatever the NPC says, but if they are the only one with that name, then redirect that page to a broader name (i.e. King NPCs and Queen NPCs redirects to Leaders of Tibia). So Ahmet is a General Goods Shopkeeper/Sell, but that page would redirect ot Equipment Shopkeeper NPCs, since that is how we categorise it. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 06:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Need help for my user page
Is there a way to use the creature template in my user page but make it that the table with all the creatures of tibia don't apear in the bottom of the page? Anyone knows? Kwigon the sharpshooter 17:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I added support for  parameter a while ago, I'm not sure how long it will be here because it isn't in widespread use (it's previous use is no longer necessary) and with the further development it may be removed, though I would like to keep it. In any case, you can still create a custom one by copy/pasting it without the -- Sixorish 05:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow so simple, thanks alot Sixorish Kwigon the sharpshooter 13:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Traffic
Found this when lurking at central. We're apparently within the top 25 of Wikia's unique visitor rank. Quite interesting statistics. -- Sixorish 23:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we know tibiawiki is quite popular, that's why we have so many vandalism (not at the moment, but I bet it will come back some day). A bit off-topic: I just got back from holiday and I think we had a mediawiki version update, hadn't we? In the RC list big changes are bold now, instead of Image: we have File: and a thumbnail. Only one thing looks messed up, the style of the Item Infobox is gone. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

We did have an upgrade recently, but the infobox shouldn't be like that. Do you use Quartz? Try purging the page's cache, it is most likely because I moved the CSS back to the template; which I did because with the upgrade, changes were made and Quartz no longer supports internal CSS, so it was a change we had to make to support users who use the old Quartz. Unfortunately this means that Quartz users will be unable to see styles currently on MediaWiki:Common.css, and they can't be identified and changed without going through each page (or searching through the database dumps). -- Sixorish 08:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I use Monaco Sapphire, the problem appeared when I looked at Hand Puppets. When I look now the alignment is fixed, but the sounds are still black, not orange. So apart from that color everything works now. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 09:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I must have forgot those ones, will fix them -- Sixorish 09:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

After purge fixed, check. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 10:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

forced edit preview
I think it would be good to implement a forced preview before someone submits an edit. I have seen it somewhere but am not sure where, if it is even possible anymore. For one it can makes the server load easier - having fewer individual edits, and is easier to review recent changes. On another note i may not be very active the next few weeks, but there may be spontaneous free-time to come on. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 18:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you mean the preference option "Show preview on first edit" (editing tab)? I don't think we can enable this by default, and if we could, we would need Wikia to make the change. -- Sixorish 20:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it would be a good thing. I think it is already active on en.wikipedia.org ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

There is a script from mediawiki.org here that we can put in MediaWiki:Common.js. It will obviously not work if a user is blocking scripts. There is also a 'permittedGroups' array that allows specified user groups to bypass it (i.e. users, sysops, bureaucrats). --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 21:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I implemented it. For now it will be set to exclude 'sysops' and 'bureaucrats'. I am not sure about 'users' yet, also considering the possibility of other user groups, like a new "trusted" group in-between 'users' and 'sysops'. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 05:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, hope it works (can't see if it works since I bypass it). How could such a "trusted" group be made, and more important, who are gonna be put in it? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 14:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Considering anyone can become a 'user' the "trusted" group would contain those who are known to do good edits amongst the 'users'. The reason for including them is at least so they can bypass the forced preview and possibly other privileges (i.e. edit semi/protected pages, edit patrol, rollback, move). For example those in TibiaWiki:Credits. There are some unused categories like 'rollback' and 'oversight' that could be used, it seems that Wikia would have to create the group for us. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 16:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it's not a problem to make them, but a hard decision to know who is trustworthy enough to put in it. The people on the credits page are all admins, + 6 additional people. Is it really worth it to do this for 6 people? I was thinking the group would be ~20 people big. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh, permissions really aren't a big deal when it comes to who is trustworthy; everything can be reverted (remember the drama with Lord de los Druidas' account being comprised? it was over in about an hour&mdash;and that rarely happens). With that said, I would suggest giving the users who have been actively editing for a while sysop permission instead; provided they agreed with it of course. -- Sixorish 07:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I remember that, and I know it's unlikely to happen again. If we look what's pro and con I can say it would be good to have more admins. There is nothing wrong with ~10 admins, but it would be better to have ~10 active admins (I'm not pointing fingers to anyone, I'm kinda unactive too). On the other hand, new admins could be hacked or something, but we can take the risk I think. Only problem is only bureaucrats can do this change and since both Erig and Whitelaces are inactive it will be a hustle to arrange it. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I dont like the forced preview (tried turning it off but didnt work) but I see in more ways than one why it is good. I think if you were to add a trusted group you would easily find more than 20 suitable people. :) beejay 00:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

global 'values'
Although we have shunned 'value edits' thus far, I found a wiki with JavaScript support (excl. some versions of IE) for tabs; and it had me thinking: if we integrated the tabs on the template; we could have a tab separate for value (preventing it from cluttering the main content tab), transclude it from a custom namespace (i.e Value:Club) which listed every server's price range, thereby removing the 'global pricing' issue. It would make TibiaWiki useful with the one thing it has been restricted from. I won't change anything without a further input, so I'm posting here... see an example here: w:c:terminator. I don't doubt the general audience would be for it: I've just about been driven insane by the "check wiki" remarks on an item's value. (note: this would require JavaScript be enabled, so the main content would be shown when JavaScript is not enabled) -- Sixorish 06:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Tabs could be handy for loot stats aswell '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 06:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it could work out pretty nice, give it a go! On a side-note, I think most people have javascript enabled, since it's enabled by default and most people don't even know how to change it. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Skins
What happened with the skins? There is no difference among them. They all are identical.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 23:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Normally it's monaco blue, green works fine too. Or do you mean other skins than monaco? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 05:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Any skin (including Monaco Jade/Grenn) I choose is identical to Monaco Sapphire (blue). Am I the only user with this problem?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

changing works fine for me. -- Sixorish 17:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) do you have Let the admins override my skin choice. checked?
 * 2) have you tried previewing it?

No, that box isn't checked. Yes, I tried previewing but it doesn't work.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 17:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll link Wikia staff here. -- Sixorish 17:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) were you using one of the other skins prior to the recent skin selection change?
 * 2) have you tried changing to Monobook, since it doesn't use the same skin as Monaco it might resolve any caching issues (if that's what it is)
 * 3) have you tried clearing your cache?

Yes, I was using other skin when it let to be identical to Monaco Sapphire. MonoBook doesn't work too. I cleared my cache (SSL cache) and it didn't fix the problem.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 18:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi all, we're investigating this problem. Hunter, are you trying to change the skin just for yourself (in the Monaco section at the top of the Skin tab in Special:Preferences, or are you trying to change the default skin on the whole wiki (using the "Admin options" at the bottom of the Skin tab)?

What skin were you using prior to the problem? Was it one of the ones that was discontinued, per the discussion at Wikia:Forum:Changes to skin preferences -- Quartz, CologneBlue, Modern, MySkin, Simple, or Standard?

What browser (IE, Firefox, Safari) and operating system (Mac, XP, Vista, a Linux flavor) are you using?

Are you aware of any other users who have had the same problem?

I'm sorry for the difficulties, we're trying to gather enough information to get it fixed for you as soon as possible. Thanks! — Catherine (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to change the skin just for myself. I was using CologneBlue. IE, XP. I'm not aware of other users with the same problem.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 21:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, we're working on this now. — Catherine (talk) 01:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the problem with the skins anymore. Thank you. My current skin is CologneBlue, and it's working perfectly.

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 13:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent! Glad we could solve it for you so quickly. Let us know if we can do anything else to help. And I look forward to seeing this project reach 7,000 articles -- keep up the good work! — Catherine (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

A contributer
User:Unaka is just filling his user page up and uploading images of himself botting, incase no one has noticed yet. beejay 20:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you know he's botting? '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 21:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh the image he removed - I see. I'm not gonna do anything, someone else might '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 21:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I deleted his images, 3 of them had elements of cheating, the last was unused and likely censored to remove it anyway. -- Sixorish 21:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

protection
While protecting articles can be a good thing i do not think they should stay as protected as long as they have been. I am thinking for a small edit war/continued vandalism/etc. we protect for a week then unprotect. As far as the cascading protection we should unprotect a week after vandalism and only extend it if vandalism continues right away. It is not fair to contributors to have to go through admins to edit that many pages. Any other thoughts? (side note: time to rearchive?)--DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 21:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that protection should be avoided, but when spam occurs and no admins are around it can be troublesome... Also, most of those on Special:ProtectedPages do not even get used anymore (old versions of the wiki made them obsolete). -- Sixorish 22:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

NPCs/template
How come there are different templates to do the same thing? And I don't know what I've done wrong with the Meluna NPCs. beejay 20:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Made a quick fix. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 20:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

It still looks the same to me, I don't know much about coding.. just from what I see though it should work as normal, right? beejay 20:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Preview the page and you should see the changes '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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I can see that. :) I just dont understand whats wrong with the page. beejay 21:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * {{Infobox_NPC /{{{1}}} | thats the template header we used to use before we started introducing dpl. The npc infobox managed to avoid a dpl update just because it'd be a useless change. {{Infobox_NPC|List={{{1|}}}|GetValue={{{GetValue|}}}, by using that you've spliced in code that can't print properly when you import pages using the |list function. We could update the template but it'd be pointless considering it's already in place on the npc pages without any need for an update. To be honest I didn't know until like 10 minutes ago, I noticed the ferryman's list function worked fine then it hit me. As for whoever added {{Infobox_NPC|List={{{1|}}}|GetValue={{{GetValue|}}} to the template's documentation probably didn't forsee what it'd mean to list function trasculations. Then again i could just be dead wrong. It's what I think's going on. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 21:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Bit of a late reply but I see now, from looking at the ferryman npc I thought that it should have just worked fine. Well, thanks for explaining! :) beejay 13:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Events
Knowing that soon we will have more in-game events, should we have the event page as a disambig for the different kinds of events? (tibia/roleplaying/player) Also, should the page be laid out like the quest section? The Events Tutorial could be useful too, if it was updated. beejay 21:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Block User
The user Huazane de Nostradamus‎ ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Beejay

I blocked him, he had his warning. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 21:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Reporting Vandal
User Charroever removed cristalline armor from sea serpent loot, then added 500k to his selling price, then added 80k to flawless cristal prices, and other stuff I removed, hes using the wiki to make money from the elemental spere quest. Block him for a year --Kwigon the sharpshooter 15:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for 6 months. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 17:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

requesting a temp page block
The NPC Tesha does indeed buy Scarab Coins for 100gp however people keep removing Tesha from the scarab coin page. I'm at ank looking at the trade and can confirm that it does sell. beejay 17:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Messageboxes
While it is in my mind, I have noticed that there is a Review Template. I just wondered if it would be worth using it, and if there was a page where you could see all the pages with the review template on (like there is for stubs). I think there is rather alot to still be done but I may be going away at weekend and I'll probably forget about the pages I wish to review by the time I am back. beejay 23:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Quest pages are protected, and Giant spider silk name must change to Spider silk, Also theres "gss" and "gs silk" that redirects to "Giant spider silk" that redirects to spider silk, isent that to many redirects? Also what I have to do to be an admint XD I been here for over 2 years helping, If I where one those blocks wont afect me and I could help stoping vandals =P Kwigon the sharpshooter 00:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

@beejay, I didn't know of it's existence but I think it would be worth using. The overview page you were looking for is probably Category:Review Requests. Go ahead and give it a shot :) @kwigon, double redirects are not necessary of course. If Giant Spider Silk redirects to Spider Silk I think it's not too urgent to replace those links, but of course, it must eventually be done. What to do to be an admin? We don't really have a structured process on tibiawiki, like there is on the "real" wikipedia. Usually users first get listed on TibiaWiki:Credits, for the nice contributions they made. Then, once in a while, Erig appoints one ore two admins. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Beejay, you can find pages using a template using Special:WhatLinksHere (things marked with transclusion) i.e Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Review. There's no category for it though as it doesn't add one. -- Sixorish 08:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, :) I'll give it a try today. beejay 10:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandals
The user Bottermattic‎ ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary. Sincerely, User:Beejay

Reporting a Vandal: User Shamoo changing high level names in pages for other names. And his old edits are noot good too (like blanking pit of inferno page). Also User Gr33nd3v1l is uploading alot of screenshot on the wiki for each level hes geting or other stuff, He should upload all those on a imagen host site and link on the wiki to the imagens on the hostsite, instead of taking space in here, am I right? --Kwigon the sharpshooter 15:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I already sent that user a message about it and they said that they didnt know of any fansites (with uploading) at the time, but I've pointed them in the direction of tibiaml and tibiapic. beejay 18:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I took care of it. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposal
I propose every editor needs to have at least 10 contributions in the common name space (no user pages) before he can upload files. This will prevent users from using tibiawiki only for editing their userpage and adding pictures to it. The disadvantage is maybe a high level with a new account who wants to upload a screenshot of a super rare event can't do this anymore. On the other hand, he can upload it to imageshack.us and post a link here or something. What do you think, put the barrier or not? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 20:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there a warning when some one makes a new acount that he/she shuld not upload non related tibia images or use the wiki as a host site to upload an imagen album? I think is ok to upload some imagens to use in the user page, as long you don't over doit. I don't like the barrier, just delete the imagens if some one do something wrong. Kwigon the sharpshooter 21:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

No, there are no messages at sign up, but there is a red box warning users on Special:Upload. I'm fine with the new guideline, but there are technical restrictions - for example, the skins don't have an edit count variable (nor a mainspace one), and it would be difficult if not impossible to make it work (unless there's an extension for it, which is unlikely)... We'd only be able to enforce it by deleting/blocking/warning and hope they get the hint. -- Sixorish 03:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually I thought because the "real" wikipedia can do it, we can do it too. I thought it was something wikia could implement for us, like in the Recent Changes list a red exclamation mark when it's not reviewed yet (which we used to have). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:25, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thing is, Wikimedia foundation wikis are minimal on restrictions, they can upload after becoming an autoconfirmed user, which is basically confirming your email. This means that they have the same restrictions for uploading, as we have for editing any article (they're more lenient in that respect, allowing anonymous people to edit), although it might be possible to get a new user group created, try asking Wikia. -- Sixorish 20:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I asked wikia and they first said they couldn't but then gave an option which is pretty much what I requested (they understood me wrong, or I understand them wrong?) I quote from their reply: "What I can offer you is restricting uploads to people that are older then 3 days, and have at least 10 edits (in in namespace). This is the same 'autoconfirmed' status that is needed to edit 'half' or partial protected pages. Would this be acceptable?"

I think this is what we (or what I) want, so I will reply we're ok with it (ok?). What are partial protected pages exactly? Is it one of those options you can choose when protecting a page? Because I never use it, it might be a good alternative for pages which only needs protection against completely new users. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 21:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I tested, apparently it's true that autoconfirmed requires a certain amount of edits. Request it if you like. -- Sixorish3 21:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It is enabled now, according to wikia (I didn't test it myself yet). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like there may be a bug in the code or something considering this user was able to do what they did. beejay 00:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandal:Gallinito
The user Gallinito ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

I blocked him. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 19:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandal:Gladiador Rojo
The user Gladiador Rojo ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

All his eddits were reverted, this guy is adding fake info, bad words, and useless info. He needs a long block, sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

Dealt with him. Thanks for reporting. -- Sixorish 05:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandal:Trith189
The user Trith189 ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

He's gone for a week.

Advertising
Has it been decided whether we allow them to (externally) link on their user pages or not? I was searching the boards and found a ton of them swamping both the world and trade boards. I remember the email which some agreed on 'linking' as long as they don't spam other forums with "go to TibiaWiki and find the link", should this be applied (and included in the policy?) We've gone neutral in regards to it, and deleting their pages on the grounds of something not mentioned there feels just a little awkward.

Some links: (his signature),  (uses TibiaCity, but it's the same idea) -- Sixorish 05:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I think some links are ok as long they safe like youtube or imagen hosting sites, I don't see problems with them having links to those pages (unless they link you to a youtube video and it advertice botting). Some people use the wiki as a jump link to other nonsuported sites that way people can use the wiki link post it on forums and then redirect from the user page to the other link, thats just plain spam, those people wont be contributing to the wiki, if they advertice world trade, gold selling, botts and other stuff they should use the forums not the wiki, they also end spaming forums I saw a guy posting on all boards his link to wikia just so you link to other page. yes I think we should add a rule Also is there a rule for User names? This guy name Jodedor I think it translate into Fucker in english (he also added cheap fake prices to DL trophy) --Kwigon the sharpshooter 15:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we should definately write something in the policy about this, about user page usage. Users can put information about themself on their userpage, a maximum of 3-5? images, no links to external sites (not supported sites by tibia, youtube, imageshack and such is allowed). They are allowed to link to their tibiawiki userpage from an external site, only if they want people to see something ON their tibia userpage, not to let them visit an external link. This will prevent abuse to a minimum, well it will not prevent abuse but it will give us good reasons to block or delete those users respectively pages. That's what I think :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree. --Kwigon the sharpshooter 17:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I created a draft, TibiaWiki:User Page Guidelines, which still needs expanding. I didn't want to simply put all sites but x, y, z are forbidden because many of us have links (Temahk's PHP script, for example) which would all require listing. I haven't linked to it from the policy yet, because it isn't finished. -- Sixorish 04:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
The user Warmasterhunter ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

90% of this user eddits have been price changing eddits 80% of his eddits have been reverted by me and other because he makes items really pricey or make them really cheap, I consider he should be blocked, Just take a look at all his eddits, he is to noob edditing, Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

I blocked him, thanks for notifying. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

User Jodedor is inserting fake info at Trophyes pages, also I think his USER name is offensive (could be translated to fucker in english) --Kwigon the sharpshooter 17:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The user Unknown Spirit ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

The guy is changing the page to a age where he sells a 1gp item for 50k then he undoes his eddits so he does not get blocked, when he gets another comb he does the same over and over. Lets protect the 2 Comb pages so they stop doing that. Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

Bennie has blocked him and protected those articles, thanks for reporting.

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