TibiaWiki talk:Standards

Just a thought, I think another line should be added to monsters to say whether they push boxes or not.

Karmarama - I guess you guys are right on several words like "of" and stuff. But the rest should eb capitalized. I already found one instance of someone getting confused with this. The pages Minotaur archer and Minotaur Archer. The worst part about it is that the same person made both pages >,<

--Shadow Dragon 19:08, 25 Mar 2005 (EST)

I agree with Alreth, people who look for certain things will more likely place "Boots of Haste" in the search field. If we would name the article "Boots Of Haste", they would get the message "No page with this exact title exists, trying full text search." So not keeping in mind our own comfort, I suggest we do what's easiest for people looking for information.

~LordLixen

I agree with your suggestions about internal links in singular, but not that all titles should begin with capital letter. How about all words except 'the', 'of' and those kind of "fill out" words are kept in lowercase? This is how people usually write it.

--Alreth 18:44, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Alright, here are proposed standard for ALL TibiaWiki:


 * Internal links should always be to the singular form

i.e. Behemoth not Behemoths Mummy not Mummies

This will avoid redirection hell :)


 * All titles of articles should start with CAPS to avoid confusion.

i.e. Northeastern Graveyard not Northeastern graveyard Boots Of Haste not Boots of Haste (I understand the last one is the proper way to say it but this will avoid broken internal links and redirection hell again)

This is mostly usefull for titles with more than one word

--Shadow Dragon 18:34, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Suggestion for slight change on the spell standardisation: (check Poison Field) Code: Name: Poison Field Words: Adevo Grav Pox Effect: A spell that will create a Poison Field rune. Shooting this rune on a square will create a poison field. (also read more about poison) Mana: 50 MP   Magic level to cast: 2 Rune?: Yes. A rune with 3 charges and magic level 0 to use. Vocations: Available for Druids and Sorcerers. Price to learn: 300 gold Cities teaching: Any Druids or Sorcerers guild in Tibia.

Gives a bit more information.

~LordLixen

Thats cool LordLixen, I see you already started implementing it. :)

--Shadow Dragon 10:40, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Maybe add something all other tibia websites seem to leave out: wether a creature runs away in low health or not, can be quite useful to know for an unexperienced adventurer.

e.g.: Runs?: A demon doesn't run away when in low health.

Another thing, there should ne standards for all things, items as well. Check Boots of Haste and eddit what could be better.

~LordLixen

I think this is great, sorry about the badly formatted vampire page I made earlier I was just starting to learn the system. Now I will upgrade current creature pages to conform with the standard. Also we could include links to the creature's page in tibia.com where users can see the official description. Just an idea tell me what you think of it.

Edit: One more thing, everyone should copy the standard onto the creatures blank page and edit it to preserve consistency.

Edit 2: Btw all those revisions I made to this page were for a slight little error but I messed up and didnt know there was a preview button, sorry >,<

Edit 3:In the near future we should add a new section for the creatures called "Attacks" were we could list the types of attacks they have (melee, firewave etc.) For now lets stick to these standards we have enough work already.

--Shadow Dragon 01:24, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

What do you think about these standards? Anything missing, wrong or good? Should anything be changed? Post your comments, ideas and feedback!

--Alreth 19:01, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

Maybe an weapon standard?
Class: Sword Attack: 35 Defense: 20 Weight: 23oz One handed A short description of the weapon or a special effect, if any.


 * Class contains a link to weapon class (Sword, Club, Axe or Distance).
 * Image should be left aligned, and the name with capital letter.
 * Attack is the attack value of the weapon.
 * Defense is the defense value of the weapon.
 * Weight is the weight of the weapon, in oz.
 * One Handed or Two Handed?


 * Ammunition that can be used with the weapon should be listed.
 * Armors, Shields, etc. can be written this way too.

Out of date..
I haven't been very active the past month and am not up-to-date with all the templates that are being used at the moment. Can someone who knows which ones are used and how please update this page so it is correct? Thanks in advance! -- Alreth ¦› Message me ¦› My contributions ¦› 18:19, 1 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I will do it, i added the template to almost all the spells list and im working currently on Monsters so all creatures will have template. --Lord de los Druidas 19:21, 1 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Quests
I'm corcerned about quests, actually. I didn't mind the Rookgaard quests so much, as they're a learning experience and I don't really consider them terrible spoiling, but mainland quests? I don't know. Consider that we ARE linked to from a supported fansite (Tibianews), and therefore we bear some responsibility when it comes to content, especially content that might be frowned upon by CipSoft (see the official stance on Quest Spoiling). Opinions? --Erig 11:39, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)

My opinion: no quest spoiling at all, please. Not even the Rookgaard quests... there are several quests on Rookgaard that are still not known by many. If you need an example for a quest, you can use the one that CipSOft uses to explain the concept in their |manual, section 4.5.3 --Borr 17:45, 8 Jul 2005 (CEST)

From Quest Spoiling at Tibia.com
...so-called "quest spoiling" is not officially illegal under the Tibia Rules.

...we have instructed our tutors not to answer any questions concerning game content such as quests.

...posting questions concerning quests on the help channel is actually considered an abuse of the channel.

That having been said... I figure one must ask himself two questions: For me, the answer to both questions is no.
 * 1) Am I a tutor?
 * 2) Is this the help channel?
 * 23:43, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Yes this idea occured to me earlier. I am fine with the basic quest info on name, location, reward, and such things. The finer points of how to get to and perform each quest is a bit sketchy. On the other hand i would rather that accurate info be gotten here than certain other sites most people go to that are littered with hacks, etc. So i am mixed in this idea, but do support the basic info. -On a side note, for NPCs i wondered if adding a lot of if not all the keywords they respond to and what they say. This reflects on the quest spoiling issue as well. --DM  ¦› talk to me ¦› Contribs ¦›]] 21:40, 10 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Creature Sounds?
Mathias had made a change to the creature template to add "Sounds". Not that it was a bad change, but I wanted to get some feedback on it before it gets implemented. Here's my take on it.

I'm not sure how useful it is to have this on the creature page. Maybe alright to know, but I don't think knowing what "sounds" a creature makes will give us any really useful information, I can also see some drawbacks (although mostly minor):


 * Additional information to be entered by contributers. From my software development background, I have learned that the harder it is, the fewer people will do it. This is especially detrimental in a Wiki. I know that they can just leave it blank, but having too many fields may scare people away from contributing.
 * Information Accuracy. Since the creature sounds aren't placed in the "Default" panel, it will be particularly difficult to record them correctly. There have already been problems with spelling and capitalization accuracy on the wiki, and if the information is not correct, then it's not really worth having.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely against the idea. I'm just trying to take an objective approach, and as I said before, this is a pretty minor change.

I think it would be best to keep adding sounds to the code of the creature pages, but to leave it off of the page that is displayed until we have enough "sounds" to justify displaying it.

What do you guys think?

08:50, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Including what sounds a creature makes can be helpful... is that a dragon, a bear or a dragon lord just over that way?

However, I agree with your concerns regarding information accuracy (specifically) and "more info to add" (in general). One other concern is that some critters (Elder Beholders come to mind, only because I was hunting them the other day; Parrots also) say SEVERAL things, which might not handily fit in a template. Perhaps the sounds could just be added to the "Notes" section?

--Digger Smith 20:01, 3 March 2006 (CST)

This is a wiki, right? Isn't the aim of TibiaWiki to collect as much information related to our favorite massive multiplayer online role-playing game as possible? Hell yeah! That's why I think sounds should be added to the creatures template, even if that wouldn't be helpful — which it isn't, as Digger Smith so eloquently pointed out.

I wouldn't recommend adding sounds to the "Notes" section, since that would cause a general fubar.

Whitelaces, as for the minor drawbacks you foresaw:


 * Additional information to be entered by contributers. You said it yourself; why don't they leave the "sounds" field empty? :)
 * Information Accuracy. That's what screenshots are for.

I really think the wiki would benefit from this addition.

12:40, 4 March 2006 (CST)

I agree with adding sound;, before the the templates were put in some of the creatures had sounds listed, but those were removed. First off anyone that wants to add to sounds should try gathering all that is said first, after most are collected then put it in, so they all come in together, rather than a few creatures at a time. Try to get all the sounds since some creatures have 3 or more or maybe none. --DM  ><((°>  Contribs <°))>< talk to me 13:40, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Sounds good to me. That's why we have these discussions, so that everyone can understand the reasons behind these things. I still think that we should get more creature sounds before changing the template.

Everyone should just go crazy and add sounds to the creature pages. I'll go ahead and change the template description on the standards page, but we need to add something to all of the creature pages. If we change the Creature Template right now, then all the creature pages will have " " on them, and that looks very unprofessional.

As far as verifying the accuracy of the sounds, we'll pretty much let it go unless something just looks wrong. I've already got a good one to add from when I was hunting beholders the other day.

16:59, 4 March 2006 (CST)

Attributes
When the item will not have attributes, what he is correct: " None." or "|"?

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 14:07, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

I think either would be fine. If you use the pipe symbol, then the field will simply be blank on the template.

The "attributes" field is fairly arbitrary. There is no specifically defined value that should be in that field.

For example, weapons use the attribute field to display the attack and defense of the weapon, but most containers will have their volume in the attributes field.

I know this doesn't truly answer your question, but unless it is defined specifically, or changed, then use your own good judgement for what belongs there. 14:18, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

Thanks!

&lt;·&gt; Hunter of Dragoes &lt;·&gt; My Talk &lt;·&gt; My Contributions &lt;·&gt; 14:27, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

New Standards
Hey, I'm new to this Wiki, that isn't to say this is the first Wiki I've worked on. I'd like to point out that many articles are mostly not objective and there tends to be a lot of information with insufficient references. The Wiki should pertain to collective data that is backed by a solid reference. I've noticed several articles that should probably be revised because many of their views are non-objective. As an example, before my recent edit to the Formula page, (specifically the time segment) it looked as though a user was running an experiment to find the time. A Wiki is a place of results and knowledge, not experimentation. The information provided was useless and drew the readers attention from the overall result. Furthermore, there's been references to a player 'Sunshine' where the player is revered as the highest level on all Rookgaard (see Minotaur Hell. The user was using this player as a reference, however there may or may not have been any evidence and if so, the proof was not referencable.

It is my belief that all submitted information should be objective and all users should be able to access the source. That is why I'd like to suggest a new standard be set into place that do not use players as references and all submitted information is objective and helpful.

-Humor- I would like to call it "Xelvar's Law" -/Humor-

Well, consider it.