User talk:Whitelaces/Archive 2007/03


 * 1) Spawn and location of items
 * 2) Template for outdated articles?
 * 3) New Spoiler Block Template
 * 4) few things I wanted to say
 * 5) Regarding an improper page
 * 6) Creature pages
 * 7) A detail on spoiler blocker
 * 8) MSN?
 * 9) Deprecated
 * 10) Clutter-free Signature
 * 11) Regarding PoI
 * 12) A question
 * 13) new cup
 * 14) Treggel
 * 15) Manafluid trouble
 * 16) A question
 * 17) Vandals
 * 18) Minor Edits question
 * 19) Regarding a template I've added
 * 20) Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Table
 * 21) History/Triva for items
 * 22) Regarding your message
 * 23) Female mage and summoner outfits
 * 24) Loot list
 * 25) User uses Profanity in Userpage
 * 26) replied
 * 27) Your to do list
 * 28) A suggestion
 * 29) Regarding Vandalism Warning
 * 30) About the new templates adjustment
 * 31) Equips_Set
 * 32) Just to let you know

Spawn and location of items
I whas thinking that it will be nice to have a page where you can find information of dayli spawn of items and their location. Like the 10 salmons at the fisherman hut or the blue rose in ab'dendriel. Some players never know they are there because they get pick fast for the first person to find them.
 * ''Kwigon the sharpshooter

I agree with your idea, we should add this page, but it kind of spoils the game a bit, anyway, here's my two cents.

As Genosonic mentioned, it would spoil the game. Maybe creating a page for spawn itens and a spoil box (show/view) and it should not be mentioned on the itens page (like, blue rose resp on x location)

Else I would disagree...

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 19:06, 2 February 2007 (PST)

I agree that this information would be border-line quest spoiling (even some of the listed quests are merely item respawns!), but the new spoiler block should allow us to include this information on the items pages without spoiling the game for people that don't want to know that info. Simply add this to the page:

... add spoiling information here ...

-- Non possum credere me totum edisse  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:37, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Template for outdated articles?
whitey, I know you're indeed concerned with the content on this wiki being true and up-to-date lately I've been wondering if we should simply delete pages like Grynch Clan Goblin or if we should keep them fur future reference I got to the conclusion that, if we are gonna keep it, there should be a heading template to warn readers that the article is about a past event/creature/item/etc.. What do you think of creating such template? thanks in advance,  Nagatho Goldenflag  Talk Contributions 12:55, 11 February 2007 (PST)

I recently added a template for deprecated pages (more of these templates can be found at TibiaWiki:Messagebox Templates). I know you have seen it, but I thought I should also mention it here for completeness.

-- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:16, 8 March 2007 (PST)

New Spoiler Block Template
Hello Whitelaces, should we use this template on all articles of items/NPCs being used/needed in a quest or also on all items obtained through quests? I've got some time in the following days so I could start adding the spoiler block on the quest items. -- Xellos φ Contributions φ Talk 07:02, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Yes, that would be a very appropriate use of it.

-- Semper ubi sububi in caput tuum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:46, 21 February 2007 (PST)

few things I wanted to say
hey whitey, kinda off-topic, but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate being listed in the Credits page I'll prove myself worthy more and more :D  by the way I wanted to talk to you about 2 things:
 * The Spoiling Policy Proposal
 * what's become of it? There have been no more feedbacks.. Should we consider making it more public by mentioning it in the Community Portal page, or anything else? because I think it is quite important since TibiaWiki is now a supported fansite, and specially now that we got the spoiling content template
 * Some templates which should be used regularly on marking pages
 * by marking pages I mean marking for deletion, as stub, as minimal and some others for example although these do already exist, there is no page where they are mentioned, making it hard to find their names and how to use them
 * I'ld say it's another must on the Community Portal page, so that editors can also help to clean and organise the wiki

Guess that's all.. I'll show up if I have anything else to add usual bear hugs,  Nagatho Goldenflag  Talk  Contributions  26 February 2007 - 23:41

About the credits page mention, you are welcome. You deserve it.

About the spoiling policy proposal... I will see if I can each Erig and ask his opinion, but I have not seen or heard any arguments against it, or even suggested revisions. For now, just continue to treat it as an "unofficial policy." The spoiler block extension should remove almost every reason to turn down the policy proposal.

About the other templates... I have sorta dropped the ball on that one. I will get back on it. In the next week (hopefully) expect to see some more of those templates, and a central location where they are all listed. Thanks for reminding me about it.

If you have any specific ones in mind, please let me know and I will be sure to include them.

--'' Fac me cocleario vomere! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:33, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Regarding an improper page
Do you mind taking a quick look at the page "Spell Casta"? Pudd Knight has already taken care of the content of the page, though the the page itself can only be erased by you or any sysop.

Thanks in advance 19:20, 28 February 2007 (PST)

DM already take care of that, I thnk Whitelaces din't even noticed it since it was too fast, but I think next time use that "Report a Vandal" thing, since his talk page is HUGE and I think it's easier for him ;P

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 21:14, 28 February 2007 (PST)

Haha. Yeah, my talk page gets pretty big sometimes, but that's not why I didn't see the report. I wasn't near a computer since yesterday afternoon. Also, today is the first of the month... so it's time to archive my old conversations :)

Anyway, DM does a really good job. Seems like he is on the wiki whenever I am not, so we have pretty good coverage. He also watches the recent changes, and I'm sure he watches the other admins' talk pages, too.

We will catch stuff like that one way or another. Thanks for reporting it!

--'' Panem et circenses. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:10, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Creature pages
I've been working on the creature pages (trying to make them more similar to each other) and many of the pages have the creatures table listed twice at the bottom of the page (IE toads). I think this has something to do with how the template pages are set up. Would it be possible to have a creature template page set up and the creature table removed from the other templates? I don't really know much about coding or I would attempt this myself. Thanks and I can't wait to hear from you. ~ Uno time

Nevermind, it just seems that some of the sub templates had the creature template listed as well. I just removed those and everything seems to be ok now. Thanks! ~ Uno time

Thanks, Uno. That does look better. I still think there must be a better way to convey that information (those templates look kinda goofy to me, and seem to clutter the pages), but thank you for cleaning them up a bit. Every improvement is appreciated!

--'' <span title="(latin) I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.">Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:12, 1 March 2007 (PST)

A detail on spoiler blocker
Hi. After some time using the spoiler block, I see some "errors" maybe (only visual). I don't know "how to edit" that or if I even can, but could you take a look here on Erig talk page and tell me what you think, and if you could do something about it.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 06:51, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Yeah, I see what you mean. I can't edit it directly, but I'll write up something so that Erig can fix it.

--'' <span title="(latin) Beware of the Dog">Cave canem. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:55, 1 March 2007 (PST)

I added another code update to erig's talk page. As soon as he applies it, the spoiler block should look better.

-- <span title="(latin) I am odd, therefore I am">Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 13:49, 2 March 2007 (PST)

Well I checked it, it looks better with space and all, but the spoiler is showing information as default (at least for me) this should be fixed too, else it become useless =P

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 11:43, 3 March 2007 (PST)

Thanks for the message. I posted a small fix on Erig's talk page. As soon as he updates the script, I think it will work.

--'' <span title="(latin) Gag me with a spoon!">Fac me cocleario vomere! '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 14:02, 5 March 2007 (PST)

Now it looks good. There is still the issue of someone disabling javascript (the spoiler block will never be hidden... only always visible)... also, the text from the spoiler block is still visible when you edit the page, but I think this is a huge improvement, and should be enough to satisfy almost everyone.

-- <span title="(latin) I am odd, therefore I am">Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:46, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

I din't notice this because I don't disabled the javascript ;P But I had noticed before that the spoiler is not hidden when you edit, but I think there's not a problen at all, since if you are editing the page you probaly already know abt the spoiler, even if you don't, you'll see the text on the edit text box.. As you said it's already a huge improvement ^^

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 08:12, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

MSN?
I'd like to have a word with you on MSN. If you're interested, just send me your MSN address to maver1ck@tibiabrmail.com :)

12:37, 6 March 2007 (PST)

I don't have MSN, sorry. Feel free to contact me by email, though <tavinflavura@gmail.com>.

-- <span title="(latin) Read my lips">Labra lege  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 13:18, 6 March 2007 (PST)

Deprecated
Hey Whitelaces, recently I saw that you renamed a template to "Depricated", but to my knowledge it's "Deprecated", the word doesn't contain that i. Definition:Deprecated. Depricate returns no results. -- 14:02, 7 March 2007 (PST)

You are correct. I'll fix it. I'm glad you noticed it!

--'' <span title="(italian) I'd like a little red meat, please.">Vorrei un po' di carne rosso, per favore. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 14:07, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Clutter-free Signature
Whitelaces, I'm not sure whether this technique is better but it helps discussion be more clutter-free.

My solution to avoid the automatic signature parser to put all that html clutter in the discussions was to create two different pages for the signature.

The first one, with all the HTML and the content of the signature itself (see User:Genosonic/Signaturesubst).

And the last one, including just an "include" of the Signature page, which will be used to put the code in the Nickname field on the Preferences page. (see User:Genosonic/Signature).

The code for my Nickname field on the Preferences page is the following:  

So when I put --~ after my message, the result will be (for example):

 -- 14:02, 7 March 2007 (PST) 

I hope you find this information as useful as it is for me and for others that read this discussion. -- 20:13, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Did you checked that box Raw signatures ?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 03:38, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Yeah, but don't know the difference it makes. -- 05:23, 8 March 2007 (PST)

I don't remember what's the difference because I did mine a long time ago, but I remember it don't work if it's checked. My signature is like this: (with raw thing marked)

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 05:44, 8 March 2007 (PST)

My signature used to be like that, but I have found that it is better to fully-subst the signature, yes, it makes discussions more cluttered, but it lowers the demand on the server, and if a discussion gets too large, then the included signatures might not show up at all. Also, you should read discussions in the rendered page anyway, since links, images, formatting, etc. are usually important to a discussion, and an editor always assumes it will be read that way (not read by looking at the wiki code).

I have been toying with some ideas for changing my signature. Now that you have brought it up, I will probably try and make it "light" in terms of code or html... so that it doesn't interfere with editing talk pages.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 05:57, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Regarding PoI
I have seen that most of the quest names have been altered to match the Questlog of the Tibian client. With this in mind, I thought I'd see the Pits of Inferno Quest in the same way it's meant to be written. (Quest log shows "The Pits of Inferno).

Can I move it accordingly? Thanks in advance, 05:33, 8 March 2007 (PST)

It should be redirected to "The Pits of Inferno Quest" like most quests, since it can be confuse, because there is pits of inferno, and it's quest, the quest log don't need to add it, but on the wiki it's needed to make the difference.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 05:42, 8 March 2007 (PST)

I agree with Pudd Knight. It should be named after the quest log, but please add "Quest" at the end. This is the primary way to easily identify quest pages in the wiki. I would fully support moving the quest page from "Pits of Inferno Quest" to "The Pits of Inferno Quest" to match the quest log.

-- <span title="(latin) Everybody's a comedian">Quisque comoedus est  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 05:49, 8 March 2007 (PST)

A question
I'd like to know if the english I use in the TibiaWiki, both in edition and discussion is good or if it has any flaws. That way, I can improve myself for this wiki. :)

Thanks in advance 09:06, 8 March 2007 (PST)

I appreciate your concern. So far, you have done very well. I have only noticed some small mistakes, and they are fairly common mistakes for most wiki editors. I will try to pay more attention in the future.

-- <span title="(latin) Yes, that is a very large amount of corn.">Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 11:11, 8 March 2007 (PST)

new cup
Hey hey, I found a cup on Nargor, in the tavern, which is not on the site yet. Here is a little screenshot if the thing with the name and weight.



/The_Pox.

Cool. Actually, I have seen that cup before, but I don't think it has a page on the wiki yet. I'll add it. Thanks for the image and information!

-- <span title="(latin) Big Brother is watching you">Magnus Frater te spectat  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 07:10, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

I had saw this cup some times, there's just a small problens that your image is not with that option "don't shriek the screen" and the cup is huge.. and it's on a poor jpg, later when I had time I'll add a better image.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 08:14, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Thanks, Pudd. I did't have time to get a "good" version of the image, so I just put that one there as a sort of placeholder. I appreciate it that you are getting a better one to upload.

-- <span title="(latin) Your fly is open">Braccae tuae aperiuntur  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 09:00, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Treggel
The user Treggel ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Editted: DM took care of him, thanks :)

Sincerely, User:Master Player

Thanks for the report, Master Player, and thanks for taking care of it so quickly, DM!

-- <span title="(latin) The fat lady has sung">Obesa cantavit  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:12, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Manafluid trouble
Vini'shocks was seemingly attempting to move page Mf to Manafluid but switched the two, then deleted the page. Genosonic then re-added the lost information. I tried to rollback so as to recall to the original history but for some reason i could not rollback to the correct state. In fact several times i tried and nothing happened at all. You are better at figuring these ones out so if you could recall back to the original history on manafluids that would be great. :P --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 19:35, 10 March 2007 (PST)

I don't know what happened at all, but it looks like the history is on the Mf and not on Manafluid... I just copied the lastest "good" revision and pasted on the current Manafluid page. I think the only way to get the history line is to delete the current manafluid page, then move "mf" to "manafluid" (I think this will work, not sure at all). But for now at least the Manafluid page have the enough old information, it just lack the old history line.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 21:10, 10 March 2007 (PST)

It should be fixed now. The page was moved from Manafluid to Mf.... so I moved it back to preserve the edit history. All of the moving, clearing, redirecting, etc. are also in the edit history.

--'' <span title="(italian) Those shoes are really beautiful.">Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 07:24, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

A question
Should the page regarding the Mage Outfits Quest be protected against editing? Seems like people tend to think that they're always right no matter what kind of discussion has been for the outcome to be and be kept as a reference. I've seen at least 4 undoes, one of them being mine, due to people thinking that TibiaWiki is errouneously displaying one of the images. It would save a lot of effort if you protected this page, since there apparently there is no more substantial information to be added therein.

Thanks in advance 20:55, 10 March 2007 (PST)

I really don't like protecting pages unless absolutely necessary, so I added a warning to the top of those pages (the quest page and outfits pages). If the warning does not deter people from changing it, then we may need to protect the pages and the images, but I think that should only be used as our last option.

-- <span title="(latin) There is no free lunch">Nullum gratuitum prandium  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 07:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Vandals
The user Mythologys Wizard ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized and vice versa, both are doing war edits on their user pages. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 10:48, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

I placed a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, he will be blocked.

--'' <span title="(latin) How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?">Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:11, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Minor Edits question
This is a simple question and I think you can aswer me.

When doing some edit there's that box "Minor Edit", if you check it a m will be placed before the edit. For me, this is just to show the others editors that you made just a simple edit, like some grammar or broken links or something like that. But my question is: This is really the only function minor edits have or it have any other purpose(s) or function(s)?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 17:30, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

That's the main purpose.... but users can also "hide minor edits" by default... so they might not show up in the Recent Changes list for everyone (you can also "Hide Minor Edits" directly on the recent changes page).

--'' <span title="(italian) Those shoes are really beautiful.">Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 19:45, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding a template I've added
I don't know how does this work very well, so I'm here asking your help regarded to a template I have just added. Would you be so kind to take a look and tell me what I could do to improve it? The template is Template:Rings. If I get your approval, I'll be adding this template in the rings page. :)

Edit: I am willing to do it for the shields if it is needed. What do you say?

16:21, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I think you should make the table smaller, the width take the whole screen and it's not necessary. Edit: Looks nice now, I think it's nice and will be cool for shields and other's stuff too.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 16:43, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, it looks pretty good. I still think that all of those templates look kinda goofy, and I'm trying to come up with a better way to keep that functionality. For now, Maverick, it looks good. Thanks for the work!

-- <span title="(latin) We are amused by an excellent joke">Ioco optimo delactamur  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:57, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Table
I tried to remove runes if magic level is not high enough to use them, but didn't succeed. Could you do it? --Ville-v 02:47, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

It's not as easy as it sounds. Since the mediawiki software parses all html tags, it will force any that it does not recognize (or that are not properly formed) to be literal text, instead of HTML. This is why you cannot use the parser functions to show/hide individual table rows. Consider the following example:

}}    Wiki Code:  Produced Output:

Notice how Row 1 is hidden... as expected, but also notice that Row 2 is rendered as literal text... not allowed to be pushed through as HTML for making the table.

There are a couple of ways I can think of to accomplish what you are talking about:

Option 1: Put each rune in a separate table ... this will cause there to be extra space and lines between them, but it will allow you to show and hide each of them separately.

Option 2: Place the "#ifexpr" condition inside every cell on the row:

This will also produce "extra" space between the hidden ones, but will look "normal" if all runes are visible.

Option 3: Leave it the way it is. I made the calculators smart enough to display "n/a" when you do not have a high-enough magic level to use the rune. This may cause some clutter on the page, but it may also be desirable for low level characters to see which runes they can't use yet... something to look forward to :)

Anyway, as I see it, those are the three easy options. I hope this helps.

--'' <span title="(latin) I don't care. If it doesn't rhyme, it isn't a poem.">Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 06:54, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Wait... Maybe I spoke too soon.

After researching this a little, I think I might have found a way to make it work...

--'' <span title="(latin) I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.">Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 13:22, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Okay, all that needed to be done was to change the table to use WikiTable markup instead of HTML. There was also an issue with the pipe character (nothing new), so I had to use the ! template.

Since the page content is apparently parsed after templates are finished parsing, it allows this functionality, because the WikiTable markup is returned from the templates, then it is parsed for display.

Like magic :)

Since I did not want to change the functionality of the template (it is used on MANY user pages), I made it an option. Simply add one more parameter to the template on your user page to make it work:

... ...
 * hideunusable = yes

--'' <span title="(latin) I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.">Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 13:48, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Hi there,

I adjusted Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Graph taking your changes for the Template:Calculator/Attack_Runes_Table into account. Hopefully I did everything correctly...

btw. there seems to be a problem with the graphs when a user hasn't set the 'max' property...

 &rarr; May the Force be with you &larr;  --  Ereglam &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 18:41, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

It seems that the max damage value of last rune of table is placed in the top of table cell, instead of middle. I tested with different magic levels, and this seems still happen, even after your minor fix (yes, i cleared browser cache). I did not test it without hideunusable, because I noticed it did not affect SD and explosion somehow, only lmm, fireball and gfb runes. Weirdly I did not find any difference between rows of those runes. --Ville-v 07:06, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

That indicates that it is an issue with whitespace... the wiki automatically adds  tags based on how much whitespace is between lines. Even a single line-break can add a "p" tag in certain circumstances.

--'' <span title="(italian) Those shoes are really beautiful.">Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende. '' -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 08:21, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

History/Triva for items
i have an idea, to add a page for each page that has some history etc, most recent example is the items from surprise bags, this information isnt usefull anymore on the item pages but it might need to be known, this is my simple idea hopefully someone will see my vision and elaborate on it. &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; ________________ 08:31, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Creating a separate page for every item seems like overkill. Until a better solution is found, can you please just add it to the notes section, or maybe in tags after the infobox?

Maybe some other users or admins have some good ideas that might work for this.

I agree with the idea, though. We do not want to lose that historical information, but it may no longer be relevant to the game, so it would distract readers or become misleading.

I will think about this some more, but please wait for some more input before making any sweeping updates about this.

-- <span title="(latin) Nobody expects the spanish inquisition">Nemo Hispanic Inquisition expectat  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 12:21, 21 March 2007 (PDT) yeh i was just putting it out there, didnt gve my "idea" much thought, maybe we could use tags like the spoiler tags? &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; ________________ 19:38, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding your message
Thanks, White, I got kind of upset with that and I thought I could be of some help. I'm sorry about that, I'll keep this in mind.

Another thing, can I add another template for club/swords/axe weapons?

Thank you! 08:54, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

No problem, Maverick. Like I said, it was not meant as a reprimand, just an opportunity to learn a little more about the MediaWiki software.

About the club/sword/axe templates, that would be fine. You don't need permission to make updates like that, but keep in mind how they will be used and how easy it will be to keep them updated.

-- <span title="(latin) Stupid is as stupid does">Stultus est sicut stultus facit  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 11:29, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Female mage and summoner outfits
Why do you constantly revert it to ine INCORRECT image???

Summoner - has the potion belt and the head dress addons

Mage - ferumbrass hat and the wand addons

I would have though it was pretty obvious, the male summoner has potionbelt addon yet you think that the fmale summoner does not???

Pls set it right =]

and dont say im wrong pls cause im not

I'm sorry to be direct, but yes, you are wrong. There is a reason for that. When you are editing the Wikipedia sometimes you will come across several warnings stapled atop the page that serve as an advisory function. There has been a rather long and controversial talk about the matter at hand. Tibia client displays it the way it's displayed on this Wiki. The moment CIP changes it, it will be changed accordingly -- fow now, we shall follow thei standard.

If you don't think my explanation is reasonable enough, please take your time and read the following pages:


 * User_talk:Whitelaces/Archive_2007/01
 * User_talk:Whitelaces/Archive_2007/02
 * Talk:Outfits.

They're all about what you are trying to tell. And the answer for all the questions lies in there.

Have a good time, 16:12, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

There's also the fact that the quest itself is for summoner (male) and the same quest affect mage (female).. A cip mistake? I don't think so, thy just made those addons like potion belt, the potion belt would not suit that female summoner but fit on female mage, they just inverted, and I think intentionaly (I don't think they're dumb enough to missplace things like this, since one outfit is free and another is premmy). The fact is, to get the potion belt, if you are male it makes for summoner, if you're female it makes for mage, and the quest just show THAT, if you can't understand this fact, simply don't edit those pages, for me it's very simple. And I repeat, being a error from cipsoft OR NOT, this doens't matter now.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 16:51, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Neptune, I understand your frustration. Before CIP added the outfit names to the Tibia client, I was fighting for exactly the same thing you are arguing for now. When CIP added the outfit names to the client, it removed most of the doubt about their intentions. If you read the other discussions on this topic, you will find that this is not the only reason we have named them this way in the Wiki, but there is more supporting evidence in-game.

This is one of those topics that is debatable from either perspective, and I want you to understand that this is not something that I chose on a whim and am forcing everyone to comply with my ideals. There have been many discussions and arguments, and support for each conclusion has been weighed. In this case, the hard-evidence in the Tibia client has won.

-- <span title="(latin) Not of sound mind">non compos mentis  -- <span style="background-color:White; color:#F06A0F" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Whitelaces &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;background-color:#F06A0F; color:white" title="&chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;"> Talk &dagger; -- 07:39, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Loot list
I find that Loot lists are not complete. Behemoth claw, honey combs and some other thing have a price, you can sell them to NPC but in that list is not mentioned. I don't know how too fix it(I'm trying to leran how to write all this pages), if I can, so I write to you, who knows almost everything there. Thanks Zvezdiica 04:48, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

These lists get outdated sometimes, as the game changes and as we learn more about the creatures, so keeping them updated is merely an issue of perseverance. About some of the items not showing their "loot value ratio", that one just needs to be changed on the item page. You can see an example of that with my edit to the Behemoth Claw page. Making that small change will allow the value to be displayed in the loot lists.

I hope this helps! If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

-- <span title="(latin) My dog ate it">Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:48, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

User uses Profanity in Userpage
Can you check the edit history of User:Kezzie? Seems like he's being quite vulgar and someone erased the page for him. If this is violating TibiaWiki's policies, can you let him know? -- 20:49, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

While I personally think that profanity is a bad idea, even for user pages, there is no policy on this wiki that would restrict that kind of behavior.

Profanity is removed from normal articles because it is unencyclopedic, unnecessary, and lowers the quality of articles. User pages do not fall in this category of pages. If the statements are particularly destructive or abusive, or if it seems to adversely affect the TibiaWiki community, then action may be taken by an administrator. The general "rule of thumb" should probably be that if you might be banished in-game for it, then you might be banished here for it.

Genosonic, the first thing you should do in cases like this is to leave a message on their talk page asking them to remove the profanity, or re-word it to be less-offensive. If they refuse, then notify an admin and ask them to help moderate the situation.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make haste slowly.">Festina lente. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:18, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

replied
i have replied to your message on my talk page. &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 09:43, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Thanks.

-- <span title="(latin) My dog ate it">Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 10:24, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Your to do list
I saw your to do list and I see 2 things there refering to tibia client and geography. If possible could you explain better what you mean with it? I would be pleased to help with both maybe, I love tibia geography and I thing I understand enough of the client.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 17:03, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

What I meant for those two was really just placing pages in those categories. Pages that use templates are added to categories by the templates, but pages concerning Geography and the Tibia Client do not use templates, so I hadn't gone through to find all of those pages yet and place them in those categories.

It's really just a tedious exercise in adding categories to pages.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:06, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

A suggestion
You were debating whether was a particular way of replacing the current equipment templates, and here I was thinking, why don't you drop down box in the equipments? In a way that it is sorted alphabetically and you can find it instead of searching it in the "goofy" template (like you said :p)

I don't know, it's just a suggestion 17:25, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

That's a pretty good idea, but it would involve writing another extension for the wiki. I'll try a few things and see what I can come up with.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make my day.">Fac ut gaudeam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:08, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

I would like to talk with you in-game. What is a good time CET I might get ahold you in Honera?

09:25, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

I'm on-line right now.

-- <span title="(latin) I'll have a pizza with everything on it">Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:06, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

Regarding Vandalism Warning
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I'm not sure any of that should be left on, "br prick", "he's a fuckface" "he's a really nice fuckface" etc. Perhaps it's "bad etiquette" to remove it, but in this case i deemed it applicable.

I'd appreciate you reconsidering your warning.

First of all.... I also do not appreciate vulgarities on my talk page, even in this context. I am fully aware of the content of his userpage before you cleared it.

You are correct, it should not have been on his userpage (just like it does not belong on my talk page, either), but clearing the content was not the proper thing to do. Even ignoring the aspect of etiquette, you can see by his page history, that clearing the page had no lasting effect. He simply added the information back. In the very least, you should have left a message on his talk page, asking him to remove or re-word it. If he did not fix it in a timely manner, then you should have asked an admin to get involved.

I did not intend to upset you, but I wanted you to inform you of how to be more helpful in the future.

-- <span title="(latin) If you can read this you're over-educated">Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:54, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

About the new templates adjustment
Heya White, first of all, good work on adding the new templates. They look somewhat what I thought, but I can get used to it, it seems practical.

You have mentioned somewhere that it is a tiresome exercise to edit to include the new template, so I'm volunteering to add in as much as I can. All I need, though, is to know what to change in the code. I haven't seen any clear diference at all while seeing the new Distance Weapons templates.

Thanks in advance, Maverick the hunter 09:57, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Hey Maverick. The only thing I changed on each of the items pages was to remove the old template that was beneath the infobox (, , , etc. ). That's the only change that needs to happen to each item page.

What makes the list show up is creating the new list templates Template:Distance Weapons List, Template:Legs List and Template:Helmets List, so far. I made the Infobox_Item template smart enough to detect if the appropriate list template exists, and if it does, then it shows up.

Concerning the appearance of the new list, once it is fully implemented, it will be reasonably easy to change how it looks. If you have any suggestions for making it look better, please let me know. I am not a graphic designer and I am always open to suggestions.

-- <span title="(latin) It doesn't rhyme.">Nullo metro compositum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:04, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

So, all I have to do is remove the in the page, same with the armors and etc?

11:43, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Yup, that's basically it. I try to keep things as simple as possible :)

-- <span title="(french) It's the finish of the greenbeans">C'est la fin des hericots  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:53, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Equips_Set
I don't know what was actually changed (I believe it has to do with the new "template" for items), but it seems there is now a bug with Equips_Set Template (you can check on your own character information). Any ideas on how to fix it?

17:03, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Nevermind, it was a typo made by Maverick the hunter on Blue Robe page. Fixed now :)

17:09, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Doh. Sorry about that.

17:19, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Just to let you know
Hey White, me and Pudd Knight did a major combo of edits in the Wiki just now (and for the past couple hours.. at least), and we added the items template in nearly most of the pages that didn't have anything (that being all the pages in the Clubs, Swords, Tools and Axes. We added and resorted most of the information in there, including quest spoiling among others. Pudd even created one of the new template-like pages you did create about the Boots page and resorted the alphabetical order in there.

We are also adding it to mostly all of the categories included in the Items template, also adding new templates to be displayed. It's taking us a lot of time, but we'll eventually get around it. :) 18:56, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Just to add, Maverick added Light Sources too, and I added Rings.

And .. ufffff.. it's easy, but alot, there're many pages missing the template. I'd like also to call here editors for help, adding to pages that don't have it, on the end of their pages add

I saw that addon itens, containers, decorations etc, miss it. Also White, It would be nice to edit the infobox templates of wands and rods to add the lists.. I think I was about to say something else but I just forgot.. we'll keep editing it tomorrow probly.. tired now ^^

Edit: I remember now what I had to say, maybe you could use the same method to add lists to creatures infobox? It would use the primary category maybe (since many monster have several diferent categories) what do you think?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 19:38, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, I saw that. Thanks guys.

Yes, Pudd... Next was going to be something like this for creatures. That's what made me want to do this to begin with, but it turns out that items were easier, so I started there.

About the template, it would be best to eventually remove that, too. Ideally, the Infobox template should be the only thing on the page, but because of some current limitations (maybe just limitations in my own knowledge), that can't happen yet. I'm trying to work out a few things, so keep an eye out for them.

--'' <span title="(latin) How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?">Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:03, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

I through that too about item template, but just after we did those major edits, I had a ideia.. I just through that items template were added to most pages, but it's not, most pages DON'T have it, and I think it's a good template and makes the page looks better.

Then why don't add the items to the infobox_item page? It would add to all pages.. of course we'll have to remove many item template from pages to prevent double template, but I think there's much less pages with items than pages without it.. What do you think?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 08:16, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

That's kinda what I was implying. I would say don't rush out and make lots of sweeping edits over it yet, but eventually, yes, That's what I had in mind.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make haste slowly.">Festina lente. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 08:39, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Well, then let me know when you do it and we'll remove item templates from all pages and implement this idea.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 16:15, 29 March 2007 (PDT)