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Merging vote
Please state your opinion here. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 07:09, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Problem with a template
hey, there is a problem with {{#dpl: | mode=userformat template thing, it's been like that for about two days. is there anything you can do or is it a problem of wikia? ~ Vapaus (talk)

I saw the problem since yesterday, it is related to wikia updating mediawiki software, I asked here, they will fix it but I think it may take some time. --Daniel Letalis (talk) 17:27, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

thanks for the fast reply, it's just making alot of pages obslete (quests, bosses, creatures etc) so i thought id ask about it ~ Vapaus (talk)

Another problem.
I just moved some images to the correct names and noticed that half the options at the top were not there. I had to edit the file pages before links like "rename", "delete" and "history" appeared. The rename page also seems to be changing the odd time to a different renaming page. Is this also something to do with the MediaWiki upgrade? Because it looks to me like we have already been moved so these issues shouldn't arise. Beejay 17:22, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

They are testing when version is 1.9 or so here Special:Version. But we might have issues related to mediawiki cache because of these tests and version changes. Yesterday the site had issues with main site script with 3 computers here, until I visited http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/-?action=purge to purge the script. You might try to purge the pages that have problems, if that doesn't work I would say we wait a bit, but if it is something needed maybe report it on Special:Contact. --Daniel Letalis 22:00, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

So if it says 1.9 on Special:Version then it means they are testing? I am sure it said 1.9 there yesterday, which was when I mainly had strange issues with the renaming link and parts on RecentChanges. If that's the case then the disappearing links must have something to do with it. If I get it again I'll take some screenshots but the links came back after an edit to the file pages. Was starting to think I am losing my mind! Beejay 00:03, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Pet pig and little pig
Little Pig and Pet Pig is this a mistake? (the one the npc sells is little pig, which is the one you get for the digging task) ~ Vapaus (talk)

You can see Pet Pig in the market, it expires after 6 minutes, weighs 6 oz and its sprite doesn't move the legs, but it blinks. Since there are two different sprites for that pig, I assumed that Little Pig had the wrong sprite on the wiki and I changed it too.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) -  20:02, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sprites might be different, they have like 6 sprite entries and one of them is separate from the others.

And the 6 minute thing I am pretty certain does NOT mean they disappear. On the TS they had this as well but there were pigs on the floor for days.

If you look in the market for Crystal Pedestal you'll find that they expire after 9 seconds. They don't disappear. I am pretty sure they work in the same way. It just means they change item IDs. Try trading the pig for a while (maybe 6 mins, but not sure exactly when you get this '6 min pig' so maybe longer) I suspect the trade will automatically close after a few mins. -- Sixorish (talk) 22:11, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

You might be right, Sixorish. That might be a temporary sprite that lasts 6 minutes after you use the pet pig's standard ID, as it is with some dolls.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) -  18:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sprites Needed
Anyone can upload sprites for the Insectoid Monolith and Hive Monolith pages? Thanks &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 18:17, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I uploaded items id 14074 and 14075, not sure if they are correct, feel free to delete them if they aren't. --Daniel Letalis (talk) 05:44, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, those sprites are important for the war vs hive quest :p &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 15:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

About Ball on Chains, Shovel (Standing) and some other items/or/objects
i've noticed that Shovel (Standing) was using an item template aswell as the Ball on Chains (both items share attributes and purpose ingame as decorative pieces around special areas), i think they should be using the object template along with other similar items that i didn't find on wiki after small search trough items/object categories (the furniture from Rottin Woods house or mushroom table and similar items that can be moved but not picked) possible under Movable Objects? also a note that a few furniture packages sprites are missing (after a brief look on the category) share your thoughts, ~ Vapaus (talk)

By the current definition of object, if something is movable, it's not an object (see objects). That's the reason why the items you mentioned are considered not-pickupable items.

But it was always hard to fill in some parameters of Template:Infobox Item like weight, droppedby, buyfrom and sellto for those items. There was never a guideline for them. If you can't pick it up, you can't put it in a container and you can't trade it, those fields are meaningless. We definitely should use other infobox template, and I don't foresee problems if we adapt Template:Infobox Object to be used in those articles. We could create a movable parameter. Also, we would have to create a destructible parameter (for objects) since some items which use such parameter would be considered objects. And we would have to change the definition of object on Objects page and, maybe, make the definition of item clearer on Items page. By the way, I just noticed that Ornamented Stone Table is already using infobox object.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) -  23:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget: Football needs and uses buyfrom/npcprice, they aren't meaningless (but they aren't normal trades either, you have to talk to buy them). -- Sixorish (talk) 23:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

You're right, I had forgotten Football and Heavy Ball. Even so, I don't see the lack of those parameters as a problem. We can always use the notes field.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) -  23:59, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

About : Flower Pots
i noticed that on the Flower Pot page some of the sprites names are wrong, and also after the latest update there are 2 sets of flower: the second set are the ones shown on market, should they all get diffrent pages? ~ Vapaus (talk)
 * The ones you normally water and can be dryed out if not waterd
 * fully grown ones you used Ice Flower Seeds on

I think that evert flower should have their page. They are different items (like rusty armors) and also they have different % of rarity and value. &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 15:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags
In the discussion about quest spoilers (here) i mentioned the need of guidelines about quest spoilers because people use spoilers tags almost for everything without following any standard.

There was the example about Rashid where people put spoilers in the locations and it was like this for years. But there are a lot of examples:


 * |Mystic Turban: It have twice the same message about trading 1 with irmana, one outside spoiler box and another inside.
 * Mini World Changes: This page have a table of contents with the achievement you win for every MWC. However, in the achievements page that information its considered a spoiler.
 * And in the World Changes the table of contents doesn't include the achievements.
 * Also, in every quest page, the rewards are visible to anyone, for example The Pits of Inferno Quest. But if you check any rewards page, like Soft Boots you will find UNDER a spoiler box that is obtainable through PoI quest. This is a contradiction.
 * And in the same Soft Boots page the information about repairing soft boots its under quest spoiler box.
 * Same with World Changes rewards. It says WITHOUT any spoiler box that you can obtain a slug drug through the feverish change, but in the Slug Drug page it says the same UNDER a spoiler box.
 * Also, the pages about the gnomish vouchers (|type CA1) had quest spoilers (that i removed), but it made me ask myself, should I remove the spoilers on this page? or add spoiler boxes to all the items that can be obtained through minor tokens?

I found one page with some "guidelines": Quest Spoiling. But according to that page quest rewards must be UNDER quest spoilers (this is not followed in 1 single quest page) and even the route to mintwallin and monsters locations are spoilers so i can't rely in this page.

Without proper guidelines i wonder things like: Should i delete spoiler tags in the achievements page? or i should delete the achievements column in the mini worlds change page? The rewards in quest pages should be put under spoilers? or we should remove spoiler tags in rewards pages? etc

&raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 15:09, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

You're right, we should have guidelines for spoiler tags.

Do you want to start proposing guidelines, then we can discuss changes? If you don't, please, somebody else start it.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) -  00:34, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest to stick to the fansite guidelines given by cipsoft: "Complete quest solutions need to be marked with a disclaimer that warns players that quests are spoiled in the following sections"'.

So only include spoiler warnings in complete quest solutions (world changes and probably achievements too) and that's all. No spoiler warnings in NPCs or items pages. In my opinion, it doesnt benefit to anyone spoiler warnings like in Life Crystal page where the info about changing one for 1 life ring it's under spoiler.

So my proposal is: Spoiler warnings only in complete quest, MW, MWC and achievements solutions. Avoid spoiler warnings in NPC and items pages unless it contains solutions to quests, MW, MWC and achievs. &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 04:47, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

The community already voted that they wanted spoiler warnings, I'm not sure they would appreciate us removing them. I think it should be changed, but not so drastically. -- Sixorish (talk) 03:45, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Different things, that was about quest spoilers and i'm talking about all the other pages. Anyway, whatever the decision is, it should be standarized, that is my request.

Rewards are spoilers? ok, let's hide from all pages. Items that you can exchange like mystic turban is spoiler too? lets hide in all pages with items that can be exchanged, etc.

&raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 05:20, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think: if information is relevant enough to have a link to a quest article, then it should be hidden. But that's not good enough to be in a guideline. -- Sixorish (talk) 05:56, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ok i understand that. What about exchange items like blue pocs or minor tokens? I dont see that kind of things like quest, but here are categorized as "exchange quests" &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 03:36, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

What about this:
 * All links or references to quests under spoilers.
 * All achievements references under spoilers, so we should remove from the TOC of the world changes.
 * All exchange items without spoilers, those arent quests.
 * No spoiler in quests trade list. I mean Rashid, Djinns, Gnomally (the way its now). This will apply to in reverse, so those items would not have "spoiler: sellable to gnomally".
 * In the future, any public information (anyone can know that information, doesnt require any kind of quest) will not have spoilers. Like the locations of Rashid or the soft boots repair.

What do you think? This covers pretty much, but for the rewwards situation. If the information about which rewards can be obtained in which quests is spoiler, we should hide it in the quest pages too. &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 03:23, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this world change thing. I think having the achievement column is very convenient. Otherwise it's a good idea. Should we make a poll or community discussion something to gain consensus? -- Sixorish (talk) 03:40, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

There is no need of poll or consensuns, it's all about making standards. I will ask you this: why the achievement "firefigther" have spoiler tags (spoiler: can be obtained through X world change) but the world changes DONT have that spoiler. You hide the info from one page but show in another.

We are not following standards but only what we think its "very convenient". The bad thing about "convenient" it's, things that you find convenient maybe i dont find it, or backwards.

Before making polls you should define some basic guidelines, rules, standards. Right now what will you ask? &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 03:59, July 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * why the achievement "firefigther" have spoiler tags (spoiler: can be obtained through X world change) but the world changes DONT have that spoiler.
 * Because we have to make a special exception for "rewards" like this. Same goes for quest overview pages, they state the rewards on that page, should we also hide those? By attempting to form a standard with quest pages we are not following any standard at all. Quest and (mini) world change lists should be exempt from spoiling standards because if you visit the page you are most likely wanting the spoilers anyway. If I am honest, I don't see the point in having spoilers on achievements page, because I see people going to there for one purpose - to find out the methods of achieving it.


 * We are not following standards but only what we think its "very convenient". The bad thing about "convenient" it's, things that you find convenient maybe i dont find it, or backwards.
 * The difference is, it harms nobody to include that content. I don't find the table on Pair of Soft Boots to be very useful, if I wanted numbers I could do the math, but I don't remove it because I see the potential for others' convenience. User convenience is the BEST policy I can think of, it should overrule any of our standards if we cannot incorporate them.


 * Before making polls you should define some basic guidelines, rules, standards. Right now what will you ask?
 * I meant gain consensus on your specific proposal. I have no problems with the guidelines proposed but at the end of the day, it's not up to me or you when there are thousands of viewers out there. We don't have much of a community right now and much less to monitor recent changes and post on this talk page, pretty much the only way we have to connect with our viewers is through polls - I don't like it but we have to work with that.

I would suggest the following guidelines:


 * Where a quest link is appropriate, it should be in spoilers.
 * Lists are exempt from spoiling standards (achievements, quests, world changes).
 * The following parameters should hold spoilers and any information not suited for these parameters should not be hidden: [NPC] notes [item] notes [creature] (field)notes
 * Quest links are appropriate when:
 * [creature] Quests and world changes if they are primary monsters (mamma longlegs and Vengoth vampire lords, but not e.g. vampire bride)
 * [items] Quests and world changes only if they are (a) obtained through it, (b) has a specific use as part of them (Prepared Bucket, has a specific use because you can't use bog water for anything else), (c) is spent (lost) in doing the quest (e.g. coconuts for paradox tower).
 * [NPCs] Quest and world changes only if they are very important NPCs for a quest which you talk to frequently (Commander Stone)

And the following changes: -- Sixorish (talk) 05:59, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * (Most) exchange quests are abolished. If they don't appear in the quest log and can be repeated infinitely (e.g. red robe>pocs), we can change them to a simple "trades x for y" and list it in the NPC/item pages (just as djinns have it listed).


 * "if you visit the page you are most likely wanting the spoilers anyway."
 * and is not the same situation in every quest page? c'mon, all the people who visit quest pages enters because they want to know the spoiler. this is what its wrong, we are not following any criteria, just our toughts of how it looks better.


 * "User convenience is the BEST policy I can think of"
 * And is not more convenient to delete the spoiler in the soft page? one less clic per user is not more convenient?
 * How it works now? i search soft boots, then i have to clic in the spoiler tag to show a link to the quest page that have another spoiler. every time we go to a quest through a item we ALWAYS pass 2 spoiler warnings. the question: "is not more convenient to simplify (in any possible way) that?" "it harms anyone to simplify that?"


 * Polls doesnt work for taking decisions, only as a feedback. Also you dont ask to the viewers every change you make, nobody does. And is not the only way to interact with your users, im a regular user interacting with you ;).
 * I support your proposals.

&raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 12:19, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Quest spoilers have been discussed elsewhere and I think it was almost unanimous agreement that the overview page is unnecessary and we'd change when a suitable style was agreed on.

People go to the soft boots page for more than just the spoiler, and it harms the user by spoiling information that they are not going to that article for. One of those clicks are due to the quest overview which as said, we agreed somewhere to change.

I know that polls are bad for this but understand that there is a much wider community and very little people actually comment on things that affect us all, because either they have no account or don't see the discussions. -- Sixorish (talk) 13:17, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Sixorish's proposals. Those are basically the guidelines we already use, but they weren't listed yet, I think.

Sez, there are players who don't like spoilers. For example, they might want to know Soft Boots details, but they don't want to know which quest they can get them from. And we have to think on their convenience too. Moreover, our visitors are already used to our standards, those who want to see the spoiler already know that they have to click on the flashy pink box. Lastly, remember that Tibia players usually don't like drastic changes, be in on Tibia or TibiaWiki. That's why I don't support some drastic changes.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) -  02:16, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

My intention was NEVER to discuss if we change anything, I just wanted guidelines to work with. Sixorish's works fine and it helps to solve most of the "conflicts". Lets agree with those guidelines and if further revisions are needed we can discuss that. But for now i think that works fine. &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 14:38, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Shields
i think the page should have now 'level' and 'attributes' as some shields have level limit, and special attributes as Prismatic Shield,Rainbow Shield,Shield of Corruption and Ornate Shield ~ Vapaus (talk)

Thanks, I added level / resist / attrib to the list. -- Sixorish (talk) 22:51, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Videos
I want to know what is the position about links to youtube videos inside pages? I made one video for the last man standing event, it's my first one and it have a lot of flaws, but i think this kind of videos can be useful for some people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQtznvkoXeM&hd=1

Can i put a link inside the event's page? &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 03:23, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, it's alright. There is a tiny problem in that some users or videos may get deleted from YouTube over time, though. I've had this idea in my head to make an official TibiaWiki channel where we can upload all those videos. Art Featherpitch (talk) 18:01, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I like the idea provided there is somebody or a team in charge of recording and editing videos. Unfortunatelly, I don't have time for that.

Sez, if you plight to this project, I think we can give it a try. Also, we could recruit other interested users. :)

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) -  02:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

There is one big disadvantage of videos against written guides. In written guides lot of people can contribute with small edits to achieve a perfect guide. In videos one single person must do all the work. I did the event, recorded it, edited, added notes, compiled and uploaded to youtube. That 5 minutes event turned in about 3 hours =S. Also videos can't be edited so easily as written articles, and only the person who recorded can edit.

I really have no idea of how this could be done =S &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 14:58, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

those are logistics that can be solved rather easily, for example : i do agree that videos could not realy be used in the concept of wikipedia but they can be added to articles and sometimes they are important, as on tibia's 15th anniversery when it's a one time event (page for example). bottom line is, it just needs to be decided and worked on, just my opinion.~ Vapaus (talk)
 * you need to find a person who knows how to edit videos well and has licensed programs (as this is an open source wiki).
 * raw video files could be uploaded in private links (there are alot of free file sharing services that you could upload those files to) and shared with the video editor.
 * you would need to find players with suitable characters that could record those spoilers following decided guide lines (for example, no bots, only use english etc).

Everything fails because raw files are too big.

File: shapeshifter.camrec Size: 2.20 GB (2,365,472,768 bytes)

Vapaus it seems you know about it, can you take care? &raquo; Sez6 ~ Talk &laquo; 21:37, July 24, 2012 (UTC)