User talk:Hunter of Dragoes/Archive 2016


 * 1) Duration
 * 2) Loot Calculator
 * 3) Opticording Sphere Quest/Spoiler
 * 4) White List Request
 * 5) Energy Drink
 * 6) Unobtainable Items
 * 7) Damage Pages
 * 8) 10.94 weapon images
 * 9) History DPL
 * 10) Behemoth Quest
 * 11) Getting whitelisted to avoid the warning messages?
 * 12) Image links

Duration
I removed the duration from Little Pig and Whetstone simply because it isn't displayed appropriately. Rings may be brand-new when you look at unused ones, but little pigs and whetstones (and of course other stuff such as Crystal Arrows) never are, so it is not feasible to use the same parameter as a means of indicating both types of duration. Perhaps it is best to add in a separate parameter for items with a time limit that don't show it in their flavourtext? -- Wouterboy (talk) 09:24, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. I didn't notice it triggered the "brand-new" string. I remember discussing this with Sixorish months ago. Perhaps we should keep this parameter for duration and have a new one to trigger the "brand-new" string.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) - 11:57, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

That would also work, yes. -- Wouterboy (talk) 12:45, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Loot Calculator
Hello Hunter of Dragoes,

I am sending you this message to ask you for an possible improvement in the Loot Calculator (Calculators). As a player, dividing the loot by NPC (djins and rashid mostly) is a slow and tough procedure. The wikia loot calculator is awesome and I thought... why not you put colours like green/blue/grey on those NPCs items in the list of the loot/price? That will help many people who have backpacks or depots for those NPCs.

Best Regards,

Divad lord (talk) 19:02, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Hello Divad. Thanks for your proposal. I'll see what we can do about that. :)

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) - 20:36, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Opticording Sphere Quest/Spoiler
Hi there! :3 I have added 2 screenshots to the Opticording Sphere's Quest! I had trouble with the quest myself, but I figured it out, just in case other people will be having the same problem I added a side note! It's easier to understand when there are more images, I'll try to add more later when I get time! It just shows a red box message because I edited it, I guess it needs to be approved or something. I would like to know more about being a helper, I love to make wikis and stuff to help people with quests so why not help for the main wiki itself aha

Elyluvzya (talk) 22:46, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Good job, Elyluvzya!

I just edited the page in order to get rid of that red, warning message box.

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. This is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit link at the top. If you're not sure how editing works, check out editing help, or use the playground to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) - 23:10, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

White List Request
Dear Hunter of Dragoes,

I would request to be putted on the whitelist.

I have noticed how noone are updating the latest quests, and I tend to do a difference.

Yours,

Vario Alert

Guardia

Vario (talk) 22:44, May 5, 2016 (UTC)Alkaline

EDIT: Thank you, I appreciate it! :)

I've just added you to the white list.

Keep up the good work! :)

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk  · Contribs  · Admins ) - 23:21, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Don't forget to submit it for review. -- Sixorish (talk) 13:05, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

[Quote]I've just added you to the white list. Keep up the good work! :)[/Quote]

Dear Hunter of Dragoes

It seems the vandalism warning still appears. Have you removed me from the white-list by any chance?

Yours sincerely,

Vario (talk) 23:18, May 27, 2016 (UTC)Vario Alert

Vario (talk) 23:18, May 27, 2016 (UTC)Alkaline

Hey Alkaline, You were added to the list with this edit. The edit is not processed yet, it is awaiting review from Wikia Staff, because all edits to JavaScript must be first reviewed by them. I think it will be fixed in 1-2 days. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 06:12, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Dear Bennie, Thank you for the information. =)

I'll stay put,

Yours Sincerely

Vario (talk) 17:20, May 28, 2016 (UTC)Alkaline

Vario (talk) 17:20, May 28, 2016 (UTC)Vario Alert

Energy Drink
I assume you classify this as food because of its regenerative powers? In that case, Bottle of Glooth Wine and Bowl of Glooth Soup should also be classified thus. -- Wouterboy (talk) 11:53, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

You're right. When I was checking the food list I noticed some of them were missing. Thanks for pointing it out.

Originally, Liquids item type was created to a special kind of property that some items have (Fluid Containers), similarly to Keys. They are not items by themselves, they are item properties. I don't really know the current definition of liquid items now. The description text on Liquids hasn't been changed since 2007. I do understand some items, such as Banana Chocolate Shake, were designed to be (believed they are) fluid containers holding a liquid, in a RPG-ish way. But in fact, they are not fluid containers and hold no liquid at all.

Anyway, DPL lists that use category=Food, such as Food and List of Food by Regen per Ounce, clearly are meant for all items that can feed you. That's why I'm changing the primarytype parameter of some liquids to Food. We could also use the secondarytype parameter, but first the definition of liquids should be clear.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 15:22, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, now I know the original concept behind it. I propose we create a new category that is meant just for consumables that boost regeneration, which will be a superstrate category (like e.g. Quest Items) that includes all foods that sustain in-game (regardless of whether they are liquid or solid). The category Food will then be the base category for solid foods, including the ones that do not boost regeneration (such as Garlic Cookie, which is not in any base category at the moment). Liquids will be the base category for all drinks and other liquids (or implied liquids, as you said). What do you think of such a system? -- Wouterboy (talk) 17:27, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

There are broad definitions of food that don't restrict it to solid substance:
 * "any nourishing substance that is eaten, drunk, or otherwise taken into the body ..."; "whatever supplies nourishment to organisms"
 * "material [...] used in the body of an organism to sustain growth ..."; "inorganic substances absorbed by plants in gaseous form or in water solution"

Furthermore, let's not forget that Market is a source of "official" item categorization. (Although, it doesn't mean we will do crazy stuff like moving all Creature Products to Valuables.) And Market classifies Bottle of Glooth Wine, Bowl of Glooth Soup and Energy Drink as food.

Well, I think the main point here is which criteria should be used for item classification. Should it be based only on item paramenters? How important is item name, sprite and the obtaining method?

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 22:46, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

I know that. The only definition of food is the one you mentioned; the use of food to solely refer to edibilities is more of a colloquial thing. My plan is to use both: the official definition (alimento) would be used for the superstrate Regenerative Foods category (and include anything consumable by players that gives them a regenerative boost), whereas the colloquial one would only be used for the base category of things that are logically edible (comida). All drinks (and other liquids, of course) will have the base category of Liquids.

Base categories should reflect actual reality/categorization as much as possible; superstrate categories should deal with any discrepancies between this reality and Tibian reality. As such, they can cross all boundaries that are set by the base categories we use, and use a pick-and-mix approach to accommodate Tibian reality.

Example: no one would claim that tea is different from soup in that tea isn't alimento; that's stupid. Yet in Tibia, this is exactly what happened: Bowl of Glooth Soup regenerates and Tea does not. This is solved by setting the base category of both items to Liquids, and then including only Bowl of Glooth Soup to the superstrate Regenerative Foods category. Another example: no one would classify Insectoid Eggs as food, and we won't have to if we use the superstrate category to cover its regenerative function instead of its base category (which would then be something like Natural Products).

To directly answer your question at the end: the real-life associations that a particular item evokes holistically should determine which base category we should put the item into. Whether it should also be included in any superstrate categories depends on the item's specific in-game functions/properties. -- Wouterboy (talk) 14:48, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I see the reasoning behind it and agree with you.

Choosing the most appropriate names might be tricky, though. I don't understand how an item can be classified as Regenerative Food , but not be as Food. Superstrate categories should have generic names. For this example, I'd rather name the category as Regenerative Items .

We could also have a category named Ingestible Items or Edibles, which would include all eatable (regenerative) items, Jean Pierre's dishes, the original liquids, potions (including skill potions) and possibly more.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 02:24, August 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Regenerative Foods would not be an appropriate name, sorry. Perhaps Regenerative Consumables is a better idea? Regenerative Items might make players think things like Life Rings are included as well.

I think that Foods or perhaps Foodstuffs would be a better name for the base category you are proposing. Ingestible Items is misleading in that it references the in-game property of being consumable that some foodstuffs don't have (such as Garlic Cookies), and Edibles is misleading in that it can only refer to solid food.

A consequence of your proposed broadening of the base category Food from comida to alimento is that the Liquids category should be scrapped and all non-drinkable liquids currently inside it be moved to other categories. Blood could move to Natural Products, for example, and Vial of Liquid Silver to Valuables. -- Wouterboy (talk) 19:00, August 3, 2016 (UTC)

Unobtainable Items
A manual list of all unobtainable keys apparently breaks the page. Do you know how to circumvent this? -- Wouterboy (talk) 12:52, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

Damage Pages
Hey there, there's a problem with the tables when you filter by immune / weak / strong / neutral for an element. It currenly (except for energy) only provides creatures to the letter L (in most of the elements). It looks like the energy filter has 3 or 4 tables per page...but all the others only display to H or L.

Pattyboy27 (talk) 08:23, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your report! All damage pages are now split into 3 tables so no monsters are omitted.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 21:33, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

10.94 weapon images
Hey Hunter, A few days ago you uploaded new images for all the non-charged 10.94 weapons. I was wondering why you think these images are correct. As far as I can tell there are 4 versions of these weapons: not charged, charged, overcharged and heavily charged. The non-charged version does not contain a coloured diamond in the hilt of the weapon. I base this on: -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 10:51, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * this image published in the news article with the release of 10.94
 * the images from the datreader

It seems they have changed the sprites since they published that screenshot.

You can check the current sprites of base weapon in the market as well as the datreader (IDs #23223-23342).

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 14:42, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

History DPL
Hey Hunter,

Thanks for helping with removing the | notcategory=Tibia History statement from DPL on Creature Types pages. You could have saved yourself the trouble though, earlier this evening I already started User:469Bot to do this job, but it took some time because I let him check all ~13000 pages of this wiki. Right now he is doing the ones you missed, mostly object types pages.

If in the future you ever need to edit something which is repetitive and does not require much human judgement, you can ask me to do it with a bot. Saves you a lot of time ;) I have already programmed some complex search-and-replaces, like with the replacement of the list templates in favour of new list templates. A lot is possible! -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 21:40, October 20, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, it seems you started your bot a couple of hours after I fixed those pages. Anyway, I could have not noticed your bot was already editing the pages because his contributions don't appear in Special:RecentChanges by default (in case we were doing the same thing at the same time). And yes, you're right. Let's use your bot for this kind of mass editing.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 00:07, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Behemoth Quest
<p style="font-weight:normal;">Oi, você poderia por favor adicionar a página Behemoth quest na parte de Legend:

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> It was launched at 7.3 version and started with a minimum level requirement of 60

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Provavelmente você lembra, mas a quest entrou no jogo com level mínimo requerido de 60, eu a solei num paladin exatamente no level 60 em Tebenra e registrei num .rec ... Hoje este feito está no Youtube e você pode assistir fazendo uma  busca por "tibia behe quest level 60"

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Agradecido.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Hi, can you please add on legend of the Behemoth quest page:

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">It was launched at 7.3 version and started with a minimum level requirement of 60.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">I dont know if you remember, but it started with level 60 requirement, I soloed this quest in a paladin level 60, I recorded in .rec and it iw on Youtube.. Search for "tibia behe quest level 60"

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Thanks.

Hello Wanyn,

I found the video you mentioned. I was also able to confirm through other sources that the level required for Behemoth Quest was indeed 60 in June 2004. Do you remember when exactly did it change to 80?

Since my sources appoint the quest existed at least two months before Update 7.3, I didn't change the implementation version to 7.3 as you requested.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 23:37, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Getting whitelisted to avoid the warning messages?
I've been on this wiki for ages making mostly minor but still constructive edits and additions, I know this new "alert" system is new and you just need to make a lot of constructive edits to get white-listed automatically, but is there anyway to speed that up?

Thanks in advance.

Jake Command Wolf - Talk Page 12:00, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Jake Command Wolf,

sure!

Good to see you're back! :)

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 13:24, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

@Hunter, please note you have to click the blue button to submit changes of javascript pages these days: http://oi67.tinypic.com/2z4d3e9.jpg

-- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 14:15, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

I knew I was missing something. Thanks, Bennie!

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 14:21, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Image links
By the way, I think you can use: instead of using Template:Ilink.

Difference: or

Maybe I should let my bot replace all usages of Template:Ilink. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 15:25, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but  is shorter (and faster to type) than. And, in this example, if we want to link to golden armor it would be even shorter:  instead of.

<font color="Blue">Hunter of Dragoes (<font color="Blue">Talk  · <font color="Blue">Contribs  · <font color="Blue">Admins ) - 15:43, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, that's true. I don't think there is any real difference in performance, since Wikia nowadays makes cached html versions of pages, so both ways of wikicode will eventually translate to the same html code. I won't change anything. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 15:47, October 29, 2016 (UTC)