User talk:Whitelaces/Archive 2006/11

Books
How do you make the text span the width of the template thingy - my attempts have proven to merely set them to half size. So whats your secret? Craggles

You are probably entering the text inside "&lt;pre&gt;" tags. This will force it to ignore line breaks (one reason that I stole Template:Pre from wikipedia, to make the scrollbars when that happened).

I wanted to be able to enter book text and completely preserve the line breaks and spacing, so for some books, I used the pre tags to try to do this (until I take the time to find a way of matching the column width of books in-game automatically).

Basically, you need to just pass the text into the "text" parameter without the &lt;pre&gt; tags around it. When you do this, you need to replace all manual line breaks with &lt;br&gt; tags, or the formatting will be messed up.

Look at the source for Treasures of the Southern Isles (book) to see what I mean.... notice the line breaks.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 13:22, 31 October 2006 (PST)
 * See i did that but in a lazy way and jsut went to the end of the wiki line and pressed enter unless it was a short line or it had a fullstop, thus the effect I have.

Can you point out an example that I can look at?

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 13:28, 31 October 2006 (PST)
 * I rectified all my "mistakes" last night so there's no need to frete.If you really really want to see them just check the page history of Monsters in Rookgaard 1 (book)

Craggles

Ah... now I see what you were talking about.

By the way, thanks for helping make those book pages.... there are lots of books to do this for.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 05:31, 2 November 2006 (PST)


 * Yeah well, I doubt i'll die any time soon so I should be here to help you til it's done. Also, Is it ok to give my own unique titles to books? I find comedy/serious titles to be more informative than untitled or unknown. Craggles



About book titles, I think that the "title" should be pretty strictly taken from the content of the book (some of them even have specified titles), but the "blurb" is much more free-form. Basically the blurb should be a short sentence or two that will tell the user what the book contains, basically.

You can see what I did with the "How to Mix Magic Potions" books from Desert Dungeon Library. They all have the same title, but the blurb tells you what the potion is that each one talks about.

Because of logistics and technical restrictions, the article name must be unique in the wiki, so those aren't as strict either, but shouldn't be too crazy.

...still striving for the wiki to be encyclopedic in nature, and not subjective.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 08:50, 2 November 2006 (PST)

One more thing.... When the "title" of the book does not match the article name, then you NEED to have the parameter "pagename".... that way the link is not messed-up in the lists.

If you check the Template:Infobox Book page, you will see that I have this:


 * pagename  =

When you save the page, the " " will be replaced with the actual pagename.... no need to type it out for each one.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 08:55, 2 November 2006 (PST)
 * But it would get messed up because it'd be, say we use Golden Mine (book) as an example. If we used wouldn't the list template make it into Golden Mine (book) (book)? Craggles

Nope... the template will check for the parameters in this order:

"pagename" - if exists... link to pagename "title" - if "pagename" does NOT exist, link to title (book)

...I tried to make it flexible, smart, easy to use and comprehensive. I drew the line at confusing ;)

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:27, 2 November 2006 (PST)


 * I tested it and I was right. Check Ashta'daramai Library and The Kha'labal Chronicles I (book), using the on the list template (in the the Ashta'daramai library) it makes a link called The Kha'labal Chronicles I (book) (book), as I said. Sorry to question your wisdom like this, it's just my nature. Craggles

That's because you put:


 * title    =

It needs to be:

| title      =  The Book Title | pagename   =

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 14:38, 2 November 2006 (PST)


 * Now I getcha :), I checked some of the black knight parchments and saw what you meant. Anyways new problem, it appears thats there are two types of parchment a very yellowed version and the used lottery ticket look. I can't seem to fnd the old tattered version as an image anywhere here. i have no idea how to make my own images as immaculatly as you guys. So could you gimme a hand in finding it?

p.s. This image should show you what I mean:

Try (Wrinkled Parchment). The original Parchment graphic used to be this, (and Parchment2.gif was used for the "newer" look, but someone uploaded the newer graphic with the name "Parchment" also.

Anyway... "Wrinkled Parchment" and "Parchment2" should not be changing, so I suggest using those for the book graphics. It was my mistake that those BK books have the wrong graphic... I didn't think to check the revision history of the image to verify that I had the actual correct graphic.

Thanks for noticing that!

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 05:23, 6 November 2006 (PST)

About reporting violations to the TibiaWiki Policy.
Hi, i am not very experienced with the wiki but i am learning :P. Today at work, i noticed a user called kokokoko vandalised a few pages and created a "cloak" page that is non-sensical. Furthermore he put info on the "OTServ" page which is a direct violation and disgusting as it encourages readers of this wiki to change to OT servers.

I didn't know what to do to stop him so i left him a message on his talk page. I am not even sure if i am allowed to do that, so please enlight me!

Is posting on this page the correct way of reporting these situations?

Thanks!

Ryek Azagoth 04:51, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Yes, you can report stuff like that here, or on any other admin talk page.

About posting messages on other users talk pages.... that was the precisely correct thing to do. Sadly, his edits were clearly intentional and he has no other "good" contributions to the wiki in his contrib history, so I gave him a short-term ban. I also cleaned up (deleted or reverted) the bad articles he made.

Thanks for the message!

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:28, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Library pages idea
heya there white~ I've shared a few ideas with Craggles, and I had this idea of creating a template for all Library pages. what I mean is to create a special box, containing links to each library page, to be put next to the in each of them. I dunno if you get what I mean, but you might have seen something similar on wikipedia wish you could help me to make it (or make all by yourself :P) anyhow.. feel free to visit my talk page for anything you might luv ya
 * Nagatho Goldenflag 5 November 2006

Do you mean something like the Template:Items or Template:Attacking ?

Hmm.... I guess I'm not opposed to that idea, but it doesn't seem necessary. The library pages are mostly contextual geographically (that is, the content of the books in the library is most relevant to the geographic area around the library). There doesn't seem to be much reason to jump from one library page to the next in semi-random order. If someone was going to do that, I would expect them to start at Library, and go basically sequentially.

If you want to do something like that, that's fine with me, but it may be a waste of time.

Who knows.... I've been wrong before.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 05:30, 6 November 2006 (PST)


 * yes, exactly like that one... probbaly with a book/bookcase image and perhaps a bit more good looking :P, but still, that's the idea.. anyway, I'll try to make it myself... should I encounter any trouble, I know the one to ask help from (you or some other good-willing smart wiki)


 * anyhow, ty for the reply and be seeing ya around


 * Nagatho Goldenflag 6 November 2006

Mutltiple Occurances of Books
I tried to accomodate mutliple spawns of books by adding a | returnpage 2 = into the books template. But I've noticed that the images between books with the same content changes too - I'd rather not remake thousands of pages saying (book) as a title for them, and that seems completely beyond wiki standards. So i think we need an idea to display two images in the template without fucking it up. p.s.You can clearly see this in the unfinished page of Liberty Bay Libraries where the book image before the template bit represents the book image of that area, some show a distinct difference as the book n the template is from another area (nargor). I tried to compensate for this with the djinn tower books by simpley merging the pages (didn't work too well). Craggles

The change you made to the book template will work just fine for books that are actual duplicates (like the two different djinn towers).

In other cases, it would depend on a few things:

First of all, how many books are we talking about here? 10-12 books that are found in multiple places with different graphics?

Second, are the books actually duplicated? Or did someone make a mistake when updating pages? Also should verify that someone didn't steal books from Nargor and leave them in the liberty bay library (or something like that).

Are the graphics entered here correctly? You may notice that all of the books on the Kazordoon Library page are the same graphic. This looks suspicious to me. Are they actually supposed to be the same graphic? Or was someone just lazy when they entered them on the wiki?

~ ~ ~ ~

If there are not very many of them, and the graphic is truly different in the different libraries, then I think it would be best to make two separate articles... one for each "book", even though they would both have the same content with a different graphic.

Is that kinda what you were asking?

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:01, 6 November 2006 (PST)


 * Yes I was, and I don't think making different articles for differnt books would be the best possible option. And it's usually only the content and title that's duplicated, otherwise the location weight and look of the book is very different. In the case of the djinn towers the graphics are completely different between each tower. Is there a way of adding perhaps a second graphic with a caption saying where that graphic can be found? Also it's usually only book pairs - at least that's all I've found so far.If I find a triplet or more i'll mention it here. Craggles
 * Also I checked kaz and they are exactly as wiki says. Craggles

yayaya new template for books! hell yeah!
User:Nagatho Goldenflag/Dustbin rox huh? say you approve it, it's my first one!!

It looks very nice. Very attractive and concise. The only concern I have is for standardization in the wiki.

There is currently no written standard for article lists like this, but all existing lists have the same style as Template:Items (for example). The lists do not have to stay the same style they are now, but I would certainly prefer that they are all the same.

You also mentioned placing your list next to the table of contents on the library pages, but you may have noticed that all existing lists like this are located at the bottom of the page. Once again, it does not have to stay the way it is now, but they should all be the same, and it should be a style/position that will work for all of them.

At this point you may be thinking "but what about those templates that are at the bottom of all the creature pages, they look different!" That is correct, but I have been wanting to change those for a while now... not necessarily style, but simplification to reduce clutter and improve readability of the page. There is also a functional difference between the creature lists and all other "inclusion" list templates.

Basically.... here's what I'm actually trying to say:

(1) All lists describing sections of a specific article category should have the same appearance and structure.

(2) The style of these lists can change, but should be readable, fully functional and attractive in all cases.

You can go ahead and add that template to the library pages. I think it looks pretty good. Just be sure to do it with future intentions, or being fully aware that someone else might change it.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 05:49, 7 November 2006 (PST)


 * The templates containg lists of items wouldn't actually fit in with how the library page work though. Sure we could have one of your styles of grey and black at the bottom, but ours certainly suits better where we've placed it. For one it fills that gap next to the Toc, it also suits the toc well. Moreover it's much more in your face for easy library surfing. I personally think that we should keep the template he made as it is where it is as it represents the uniqueity of the libraries and books, seperating them from casual items and it suits the basic library lay out. perhaps though we could put your grey and black library style under neath the book info boxes? 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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I'm not really concerned about having the gray list at the bottom of the pages. I agree that the list looks very nice on the library pages.

I was only concerned about consistency in the wiki. No matter how great they all look, any deviation in style between pages reduces the appeal of the wiki and makes it look less professional.

I was certainly not arguing about how it looked, and I was DEFINITELY not trying to say that the gray lists were the best way to go.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:55, 7 November 2006 (PST)
 * sorry if I implied you were, all i mean to say is - we're keep it consistant by haveing it on each library page, and to be honest people won't readily jump between books and items unless they click random page then theres obviously going to be a bit of in-consistancy. I honestly see the lbiraries and books as a whole new area of wiki beyond items, and as it's consistant through and through with the books and libraries I think it still seems professional. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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Regarding Gp/Oz Calculations
How are the gp/oz values calculated for the various loot pages? Just as a simple example, I noticed the value for gold coin was 9.174, but shouldn't it be 10? (1gp/.1oz) Very few of the gp/oz values actually seem to be correct. Tiwuno

Yes, excellent question. The calculations consider the weight of a backpack for holding the loot. We'll use Gold Coins as an example:

0.1 oz each stackable (2000 fit in one BP) value = 1 gp each Dividing the weight of a BP (18 oz) by the number of gold coins it can hold (2000), we get the effective weight of one gold coin as 0.109 oz. Value (1 gp) divided by the weight (0.109 oz) gives us the value/weight ratio of 9.174

Maybe not very intuitive at first, but this accounts for the effective weight of non-stackable items.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 05:32, 7 November 2006 (PST)

crazy, freaky idea
heya there white, hopa you're in a nice mood... if you're not, read this when you are, k? ^^

so, basically, it's been a long time I've been wanting o change some templates... I mean... not that I don't like them, I certainly do... but I really think that they would really look way better and more "Stardatalised" (I luv to create new words) if they fit the known Wiki blue table (just like the Table Of Contents or the template I made)

so, prepare your heart... I'ld happily try to make a new version of those at my dustbin... when it's done, I call you, and you decide to approve it or not... and let's remember that 50% of the credit goes to you cuz I'm gonna base on your template

so... how do you feel about it? if answer is "NO WAY!", just say it, I'll understand and stfu

bear hugs to the fellow admins and easter bunnies


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 6 Nov 2006 07:16, 7 November 2006 (PST)

lol

I'm actually a really nice guy. The whole "admin" thing just must be intimidating. I'm really just a servant of the public interest. My purpose for keeping the wiki clean and accurate is purely for the benefit of the majority of users :)

About updating the templates... go for it!

You can make a page in the TibiaWiki:Playground to work on (putting it in the playground also allows other users to help contribute to making and improving it), and be sure to get a consensus of users to agree to the style. Then we might even make some written standard for styling lists like that.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 07:38, 7 November 2006 (PST)

finished the template
please hagve a look at it on User:Nagatho Goldenflag/Dustbin and tell me how it looks

hehe be seeing ya around


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 6 Nov 2006 10:30, 7 November 2006 (PST)

It looks pretty good, but it's kinda bulky. I like the coloring, but I think it would be more useful if it was smaller.... Maybe just removing the images would help... or maybe shrinking them:





Something to reduce the size of the template would make it more readable.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:03, 7 November 2006 (PST)

I thought about shrinking, even tried it, but the images ge somehow strange... well anyway... I'll make a version with shrinked images and compare both, and if I still should not make my mind, I'll call you for help ^^


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 6 Nov 2006 11:40, 7 November 2006 (PST)
 * Considering how many images are there and what it has to offer it's not over bulky compared to the items it's placed next to. User:Craggles/Beholder_Shield

I must admit it's odd haveing white then blue - so perhaps one day we can tint the item templates a shade of wiki blue.. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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That's the beauty of a wiki... it's all open to revision.

About the bulky size... I have always preferred slimmer-looking lists because I usually have the wiki open next to my tibia client.

Historically (and practically), it is MUCH easier to scroll vertically than horizontally. You will encounter this concept on most web-developer "best-practices" style guides.

Overall, it is more compact, but I think the images make it less usable, and take up too much space. Remember, these lists are just supposed to be simple jump-points between item categories... they are not a replacement for the Items page, or any other full-sized article.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:57, 7 November 2006 (PST)
 * I tried the different pixel sizes - (trial and error) and it seems that it's a number between 20 and 25 25 doesn't make much difference, 20 is barely viewable. And about the slimmer look How about :  'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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 * personally, I don't like the table without the images... The sound just like a bunch of text in a blueish square... later gonna try with 28 or perhaps 24 px (not much of a difference, but helps anyway)

we could try it with images only for the sug-headings (Armors,Household, etc).. but not completely take images out

also, if we are gonna take the images out, I still like the 2-columns format better.. the vertical style makes the page too long imo

well, that's my opinion, I'm not the only one on this world... maybe we should let other people review it


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 12:35, 7 November 2006 (PST)
 * I agree - 2 columns kicks ass. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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redirect for terms in portuguese? what's that?
hey whitey

some guy created a redirect page for a term in portuguese Lingua Magica(which means 'magic tongue' in portuguese) redirects to Magic Syllables I'm not the owner of the truth, but still I think that such redirects from other languages shouldn't exist

be seeing ya around


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 11:06, 11 November 2006 (PST)

I think this particular redirect is alright. On the TibiaNews spells page, they call it "Lingua Magica", so it is likely that someone searching the wiki for it might use those words.

Normally, redirects and pages from different languages should only be included if the words are commonly used by all most tibians (not just of any specific nation).

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:26, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Hellgate Library Page
oh, btw, I created a new version of the Hellgate Library page, so that it fits the other pages' standart... Hellgate Library is protected, so I wonder if you could change it in my place? the edited page link is in my dustbin, more precisely here.

well, I made the best I could... if you don't like it, or feel it needs some repairs, feel free to edit it yourself before saving

bear hugs


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 11:06, 11 November 2006 (PST)

Thanks! It looks good, and matches the other library pages. I have already added your changes.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:26, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Items List Template
another thing

check User:Nagatho_Goldenflag/Dustbin/Items2.. guess it's the best it can become using this format... I'm just waiting for your approval (or denial) for saving it on the template page (or not)


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 12:00, 11 November 2006 (PST)

yet another thing

check User:Nagatho_Goldenflag/Dustbin/Spells and tell me if it's ok (have the idea of putting it in all spell pages, instead of the Template:Attacking and Template:Healing for example)

my intention is to make newer versions of these templates and separate them not by type, but by 'spell' and 'rune'

I made the runes template also (check it at User:Nagatho_Goldenflag/Dustbin/Runes) wanna know what you think of it.. remember: any suggestion is sure welcome!


 * Sum up: spells template here, runes template here (I wanna hear your opinion)


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 18:26, 11 November 2006 (PST)

The spells and runes templates you made are not as good as the items one. There is alot of wasted space, and it's kinda hard to find things in those lists. Actually... it's not so much the finding as the reading. It's kinda hard to read the different rune/spell names, especially on the runes list. My eye can't seem to just "jump" between the names, so it takes extra time to read them and find what I'm looking for.

This is maybe because the location of the first letter in each name is not consistent, your eye doesn't know where to go to find the next one in the list. This is a fairly common problem with centered and right-aligned lists (lists only... paragraphs are perceived differently by the eye and brain, lists are less contiguous and are not actually "read", but rather "browsed").

There is a similar problem with the items template you made, but it is not as bad... probably because it is more compact (less distance for the eye to move between names), and the images also seem to serve as little "markers".

now for the good news ;) ....

The items template you made looks really good. I guess I wouldn't call it ideal, but in many ways it is a big improvement over what we have currently. I say go ahead and use it :)

Don't take all this criticism personally. I'm not trying to "put down" your ideas, just trying to help.

I want you to know that I appreciate all the work you and craggles have been doing on these templates. It has been long over-due :)

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:26, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Yeah, I have to agree with you on it beign hard to read.. have any ideas I could use? cuz on these tables, soem texts ate 2-lined, and the space between those is bigger than the paragraph itself

I'm not sure if it is a good idea to add the spell images to those

ah btw I added previous/next book links on hellgate library, dunno if you've noticed (took 3 bottles of sweat and a pot of patience)

The best suggestion I can think of right now is to make the template longer and narrower.

"Stacking" some of the groups (like on the items template) might help... making sure that it is wide-enough to prevent the wrapping, like you said, and making sure it is easy to find the different groups (the headings on the items template work very well).

It also helps to have lists left-aligned. This usually helps alot, regardless of the coloring or text style.

Yes, I noticed about the hellgate books. I hate to tell you this, but that was probably unnecessary. We have no clue about the order for those books, or if they are even related to eachother (other than being written in the same language). Sorry, but all that sweat and toil was unnecessary, and probably even incorrect (if 469 is ever cracked).

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 07:16, 13 November 2006 (PST)
 * Hows that? 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

p.s It may be coded very slopily - I used frontpage to save time Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] 

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just lovely ^^.. can't wait to put it in the pages... but we still need the rune template :(

I've been trying many things but nothing worked so far (ah btw I barely use html editors, so maybe that's why hehe)

craggles = the hope for us all (YES, I am an apple polisher)


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 13:18, 13 November 2006 (PST)

yay check this out:

guess it's the best template I ever made

hope you like it hehe


 * Nagatho Goldenflag (talk | contribs) 15:08, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Looks good, guys.

I like these better than the items template, even.

One thing.... you need to close the and the tags in the spells template... they're spilling over to the rest of the page.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 06:02, 14 November 2006 (PST)
 * I tried - there aren't actually any ,centre> or tags in my table. I have no freakin' clue what's causing it.
 * Oh wait - I think It's fixed. (I blame frotnpage ) though I spose a poor workmman blames his tools. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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 * Also - i tried adding the images that the spells have on their pages, it just didn't work well at all. Also, do we have permission to add our templates to all the pages concerned? 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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All you have to do is update the template pages, not every item page (if that's what you meant by "all the pages"). Those list templates are not protected, so you should be able to update them.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:05, 14 November 2006 (PST)
 * We do have to update eahc and every page - your templates were attack support supply ect - ours are just runes and spells. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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Then create a new Template:Spells and Template:Runes, then redirect the other ones to those.

We can go back later and fix the double-redirects, but that would get them all changed at once.

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 * Hows that for a new helmet's template?

P.s I'd put bullet poiints in but They jsut don't seem to appear if I try. 'Craggles 6 Nov 2006 [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] ''

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Regarding the tibian celebrities
Seeing as how there are people who put effort in updating the actual high leveled people, such as Bubble, Eternal Oblivion and Sunrise I was wondering why can't we create an article where all the information regarding the high levels would be consolidated in one single page, to avoid the unnecessary pages talking about the achievements of these high levels. I don't know, the page could be called Tibian Celebrities, or anything else like that. What do you think?

Maverick the hunter 11:15, 22 November 2006 (PST)

There's already a page for Characters, which basically fits what you are describing.

I think if we were to expand it more (as you seem to be suggesting), it would lead to endless edit wars and vandalism. There have been many long discussions about making articles for specific tibia characters, and I think that the page we have is the best solution for now.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 08:49, 27 November 2006 (PST)

would this be a violation
i would like to create a page on this wiki for my guilds shop, so that the hole guild can edit the price list etc?

if the answer to that is no then is it ok to use my own talk page for that purpose?

thanks - disaster monteiro

This has come up a few times, but Erig has decided that it would only cause problems if he allowed such pages to be accepted on the wiki, so the answer would be no, but you do have other options.

There are a number of other wiki sites that you can use (and link to them from your userpage) -- Be sure to read their terms of use before using them, though:


 * Wikia
 * PBWiki
 * Schtuff
 * WetPaint
 * WikiSpaces

There are also many free "traditional" web hosts that you can provide your guild members access to:


 * Geocities
 * FreeWebs
 * Bravenet
 * 50Megs.com

These searches may also help you find a free web host:
 * http://www.freewebspace.net/
 * http://www.free-webhosts.com/

Here are some sites specifically for creating a guild/clan website
 * http://www.guilduniverse.com/
 * http://guilds.ogaming.com/
 * http://www.clansitemanager.com/main.asp

Sorry that this wiki is not able to accommodate your wants, but I hope these other sites will meet your needs.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 08:46, 27 November 2006 (PST)