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Semantic MediaWiki Extension
I'm just wondering if the Semantic MediaWiki Extension wouldn't be a good addition to TibiaWiki, as it would be able to auto-generate the Items- or Monstertables and you could even search for specific Items (which food-item has a higher Regen/Weight-Rating than normal meat?). You can sort these tables and won't have to worry anymore if they are correct if any item changes (as the changes made in Item-Pages would obviously be ported to the tables). I would be happy to help updating the pages for Semantic MediaWiki.

It looks like it would help (after being initially setup), but I cannot seem to decide if it is the "best" extension to use for this purpose (if Erig decides to implement any).

Here are the ones that I have encountered since I originally read your post to Erig's talk page:


 * Semantic_MediaWiki
 * Seems to be one of the most "advanced", but I do not see alot of room for controlling the output formatting for the lists. The output format that I think we would actually use in this wiki is listed as "unstable" in the documentation. The syntax for implementing the data values is flexible, but unfamiliar, and I think it would be very difficult to maintain with the type of users we have on this wiki.


 * WikiDB
 * In the short amount of time I have researched this topic, I think I like this extension the most. The syntax for defining the pages is very close to the standard template usage, so there would be a small learning-curve, and very little confusion over the change. This one also has an easy syntax for repeating lists using variable substitution and wiki markup, so it looks like it would be a smooth transition for the list pages. This one is also the most highly-structured one I have encountered, which has benefits and drawbacks.


 * DynamicPageList
 * This one has some additional features that are interesting, but I cannot evaluate how it would be used if this extension was implemented. This is the only extension of its kind that I can find that is actually listed as being a "stable" release. Even the Symantic extension is in beta.


 * Infobox_Data_Capture
 * This one looks very simple. I don't think it has the capabilities to do what we would need in this wiki.

The final decision is clearly Erig's to make, and since an extension like this would drastically change the way the articles on this wiki are written, all avenues should be evaluated before deciding on one.

-- Quisque comoedus est  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 09:27, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

Question about "Template" pages
Hi Whitelaces, I got a question. How do you create a Template page? Just  Template:pagename ? Are there any requirements for a Template-page? Thanks in advance,

 Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 11:30, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Yes. That's right. Edit a template page to have an idea how you have to build it to fit like the others, for example the Template:Dragon. When you are done and you want to include it, just write and it will display the template.

-- Maverick the hunter ω talk ω contribs 13:11, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Let's stay in template topic... I find it anoying that almost all creature class templates includes a "complete" creature class list, since there are some monsters that'd fit into several classes (e.g. Pirate Ghost), and their page would show the "complete" list twice or more.

That's why I think we shouldn't include the complete list in all creature class templates but instead put it directly to the page of present creature.  Art Featherpitch - The mispseller -  Spam me     13:45, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Bennie, that is correct. The "Template:" namespace is treated in a slightly different way from the global namespace, so all templates should be placed there. You can learn a lot about templates from looking at examples, but not all of the templates in this wiki are "good" examples, so I would actually suggest that you get most of your information from Wikipedia's template help pages. If you have any questions or get stuck on something, please ask.

-- Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:18, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

Elder Beholder Abilities
Dear Whitelaces, Could you please review the Elder Beholder Talk Page, taking note of what I mentioned and provide clarification on the matter. Perhaps you have information to confirm either way about the Elder Beholder's abilities. Reards, Clyde

Okay. I'll take a look at it.

--'' Magister Mundi sum! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:28, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

Rat Edit
Hey why did you revert my edit to the rat page? o.o Kris 08:32, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

According to the official Tibia.com creature library:

''Rats have 20 hitpoints. It takes 200 mana to summon or convince these creatures.'' ''Rats yield 5 experience points. They carry cheese, gold coins, and worms with them.''

You had changed it to to 5 hp and 20 experience points.

--'' Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 09:16, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

my page help
Hey sorry for doing this here I just didn't know where else to put it. On my character page ([| Melphaso]) at the bottom of the page I keep getting something popping up that says "#ifeq:yes" How can I get rid of that? I just reloads the page.

This problem has been discussed on the bug reports page.

The short answer is that you need to do one of these two things:

First option: Turn "showstats" OFF:
 * showstats    = no

Second option: Place the damage calculator(s) on a subpage

One of those two will solve the problem.

--'' Docendo discimus. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:48, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Game Worlds
Is it me, or that s shouldn't be there?

Any idea what's that? -EMbet-5 Jun 2007 the no includes must be there or information that shouldnt be displayed will be displayed on the game worlds page &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 08:35, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

It's fixed now. The noinclude tags were not closed on the gameworld pages.

--'' Cave canem. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 09:16, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Thank you!
Hi Whitelaces, I want to thank you very much! Today on 6 Juni 2007 at 14:09 you did a historical thing. You added the page Hunting Places to the "Popular Pages" list! An ordinary editor, like me, could only dream of such honor. By the way, It's an honor for me you added the Hunting Places page on the Main Page because I started with it :) You can see it in the history . Thanks a lot,

 Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 08:20, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

The real reason I added it to the main page, is because it had a high number of visits (especially for not being well-linked), and I think it is a page that many people find useful on this wiki.

It's not actually that big of a deal. At any rate, there's not much glory to be had working on a wiki like this... it is a community effort. I try to give credit where it is due, but you really have to find some intrinsic motivation instead, or you will just get burned-out.

--'' Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:21, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

How many have visited a page
Is it possible to see? :P


 * Scroll right to the bottom of any random page and it'll say "This page has been accessed x times. This page was last modified x.

An erig.net site." Craggles  [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] 

You can also see this information in the list at Special:Popularpages.

-- Mirabile visu  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:14, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

Insects and Poisonous insects
I was looking through the templates of creatures and it appears we infact have a template for insects - then a template for insects and poionsous creatures. Could you explain why or possibley delete one? '''Craggles [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] '''

It looks like it was an accident. Make sure that all links are moved to use only one of them, and that one template is accurate, then we can delete the other one.

-- Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:22, 11 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Do i just put that template on the pages I wan  to be rid of then?

Yeah. That's it.

-- Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:10, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Wwwzhudan Vandal
The user Wwwzhudan ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, Art~

I have left a warning on his talk page. If it happens again, he will be blocked from editing.

-- <span title="(latin) Yes, that is a very large amount of corn.">Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:22, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

@ Preparing for Creature type update thingy
Did you already have a plan as to where the information would be set on the page? Or would you like me to propose an idea? '''Craggles [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] '''

I'm always open to new ideas, but here's what I have in mind:


 * There will be a new line that says "This is a boss creature" or something like that
 * The "primarytype" and "secondarytype":
 * automatically categorize pages
 * maybe something similar to the lists on the right-side of the items pages....but probably underneath the infobox. I was going to play around a little and see what looked good.

-- <span title="(latin) We are amused by an excellent joke">Ioco optimo delactamur  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:51, 12 June 2007 (PDT)
 * I was thinking that these extra info things would latch on in such a way that.


 * You'd have a purple box, the same width as the Creature infobox, that would display if it were a boss monster.


 * On the right a box for primary creature info e.g apes(like in the items section) that can be dragged up or down dependant on how long the list of primary creatures is. This would automatically categorize as you said.


 * On the bottom of the Info box there'd be a box (similiar to boss monsters but a different colour no doubt - perhaps blue, probably blue) that would display all the creatures in the secondary category. Perhaps they could be clickable images (clickable meaning they'd direct you to their creature's page - maybe even have a hover over option) as listing hundreds creatures isn't practical and it's much easier to navigate images.


 * At the bottom of the page the creature types template for extreme ease of navigation. It'd be completely seperate from the infobox and it'd be before any extra information like if the article is a stub or what npc's have to say.

I definatly think those wikipedian shades of purple and blue must be involved. I also think the use of images is a must because people can scan through images far quicker than they can names.

I hope you agree.

'''Craggles [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] '''

Sounds pretty close to what I had in mind... I'll try a few things and see what seems to work best.

Expect to see something finalized in the next day or two, unless there are more ideas or discussions from anyone.

--'' <span title="(latin) I came, I saw, I got scared, I ran!">Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:19, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

Okay... I updated the template, but I had to make a few compromises.

I added both lists to the right (like on the items template). I think this looks the cleanest, and is very easy to read... when I had the list below the infobox, it was very distracting, and it obscured the content of the infobox.

I tried it with images, but I could not make it look good. Every way I tried made the whole thing look fake and unprofessional, so for now it is just using the text.

I had a similar problem with the "isboss" indicator... adding a new line above the infobox was too "cartooney" looking, and it seemed to unnecessarily draw your attention. I thought that the content of the infobox was more important than the one line that said "this is a boss creature".

So, these are the decisions I had to make. I think it looks pretty good, but I'm sure that we will find a way to improve it in the future. For now, it is a large improvement over the current methods.

So you can see it in action, I updated a couple creature pages:
 * Monk
 * Green Djinn
 * Dragon
 * The Old Widow

--'' <span title="(latin) Gag me with a spoon!">Fac me cocleario vomere! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:47, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
 * I like it :) You know it says under some items that have an annotation like with golden armor it has in italics below the title It's enchanted armor, could we put this creature is Secondarytype and link it to Secondarytype's page (we'd have to redirect Misc of course). So it's say:

Giant Spider

This creature is a(n) Arthropod

See what i mean? '''Craggles [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ] '''

I see what you mean, but I would call that something else... like "supertype" or "category" or something like that. The "secondarytype" was really just so that one creature could belong to more than one type.

Let me think about it a little bit. There might be a better way to do what you are talking about.

--'' <span title="(latin) I am not lost.">Neutiquam erro. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:09, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Another thing - instead of haveing to update the Template:NAME lists by hand could we possibley use the information n the categories to do it? My knowledge on wiki coding is limited so what i'm asking is that the template would recognise that say Categor:Dragons has demodras dragon and dragon lord and it would add each of those to the template. Is it at all possible? '''Craggles  [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ]

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Funny you should mention that... I'm actually in the process of coding a bot that will do exactly that.

There is no way to do it in the wiki itself, but I'm about 45% done with this bot that will maintain those lists for both item types and for creatures types. It will actually build those lists based on the "primarytype" and "secondarytype" parameters directly on the creature pages.

I'm in the middle of something else at the moment, but that bot is next on my list.

--  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 08:10, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Do you rekon that it'd be done before or after the update just by guess? Are you thinking of expanding this to absolutly everything with an info box in wiki? '''Craggles  [ Random::Chat::Guild::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ]

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