User talk:Whitelaces/Archive 2008/01


 * 1) About creature loots
 * 2) Listing of all tibia creatures listed on tibia.com along with weaknesses/strengths/immunities
 * 3) DPL Issue?
 * 4) RespawnMap
 * 5) Regarding ;dropped by None
 * 6) DPL, again
 * 7) Reporting someone
 * 8) Immunities
 * 9) Range category for Distance Weapons
 * 10) Templates and stuff
 * 11) Gallery and creature lists
 * 12) User Page Vandal
 * 13) About the new outfits (8.1)
 * 14) Special attribs on equipments
 * 15) Wiki Archive Question
 * 16) Page Visits
 * 17) Hiding the sidebar
 * 18) DPL problems
 * 19) Vandal Report Taythefool
 * 20) User Report
 * 21) Obvious vandal
 * 22) Regarding the Infobox_Item change
 * 23) Regarding "recent changes"
 * 24) Administrators
 * 25) Stexito Vandal
 * 26) Vandal report
 * 27) Ingekbanditz Vandal

About creature loots
I don't know if someone suggested it before, so here we go.

I really think there should be some way to link the creature's loot to the respective item(or visa-versa). I don't know, maybe using DPL list...

Why? This way we would have to change only one page to add the loot on all related pages. For example, someone added to the Spectre the Abyss Hammer loot, but he didn't added the Spectre to the Abyss Hammer's loot list(I just added it right now).

So, what I mean, shouldn't there be a way to link the items and the monster's so we only need to edit the loot in one place?

Thanks. Cya!

Zephirdd

You got a little bit ahead of me.

Yes, I am working on a way to do exactly that. There are a couple of things that I need to work out, but it will happen in much the way you explained.

--'' Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 11:20, 5 December 2007 (PST)

All right, thank you! :)

Zephirdd

I can't seem to make it work yet. I will keep trying, but for now we need to continue with the way we have it, manually updating both places each time.

--'' Fac ut gaudeam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Listing of all tibia creatures listed on tibia.com along with weaknesses/strengths/immunities
Since it's a large table that would just be used to update the current magical damage pages, I've put it here User:Wisling/Creature_list The higher the value in the column, the higher the damage done to the creature. 1-immune 10-strong against 100-normal damage 1000-weak against

-- Wisling yeh it is a good idea to have a number ammount rather then jsut strong weak as some things take 2x more damage and other take 1.1x its nice to know wich. &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

DPL Issue?
Hi. Maybe it's just me but I'm having problems with some pages and they all seem to be DPL related. The first I noticed was that GFB was missing from the runes page. I was going to fix it, but with DPL, I haven't got a clue how. Now when I try to view the Creatures by EXP page only half of the page displays properly. I've also noticed that the Giants page has no data (other than a couple of /n). When I walked back through the differences, the page seemed to clear up just before the conversion to DPL. I've tried to view the pages through both Firefox and IE and both ways gives the same results. I've also cleared out my cache and that doesn't seem to help either. I'm all for making changes like DPL if it will keep maintenance down, but isn't a wiki supposed to be easy for the readers to update and fix. We may be stepping into a region where anyone who wants to do updates and contribute will require special training or knowledge. Again, it could be just me. At any rate, could you please check the mentioned pages and see if they look ok to you. Thanks for your time.

http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Creatures_by_Experience_Points

JovianMoon 06:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

>The best that i can see is that initially the pages with DPL added do not seem to work, but after refreshing or going back to them they appear. This may have to do with if Erig added DPL and wikia did not, or vice versa. When i went to a page with tibia.erig.net/~ as the url the DPL parsed correctly, but not initially with wikia. I am not quite sure how to solve this, it may be a higher level problem. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 16:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

This should be fixed now. According to Nef, they are transitioning their servers to a newer version of MediaWiki, with the latest version of DPL. During this transition, TibiaWiki was placed on the old codebase, which caused DPL to stop working correctly for us.

This should now be resolved.

--'' Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I still see a mess on the 'creatures by experience points' page. Am I the only one seeing this? JovianMoon 14:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

All of the DPL issues should be resolved, but the list of creatures by experience does not use DPL. The problem with that page is that it is too large. There is a hard cap on how many transcluded templates are rendered on a MediaWiki page, and that page exceeds the maximum allowed.

If you view the source of the page, you will see a lot of this:

The only real solution would be to split the page up into smaller pages.

-- Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

RespawnMap
Hi, (-:

I cannot find a wiki page with the code of your extension. (Well, both of them - RespawnMap and Spoiler.) I belive I saw it somewhere back on tibia.erig.net. If you (re)post it here I'll add diffs between your code and what's now on Wikia.

If you want to develop RespawnMap further I'd be more than happy to deploy your code. Guys from gamewikis.org said they would like to test it on GuildWiki, too. This may be cool extension for all gaming wiki at Wikia.

Pls. ping me if I might be of any help for you,

-- Nef (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. I hadn't really spent much time on the respawn map extension, but it should at least serve as a starting point. In its current condition, there was a problem in Firefox where the images were not lining up properly. I was having some trouble getting them to stay in the containing DIV, but still be positioned ABSOLUTE... whenever I had them contained, they would flow and then the alignment would be all wrong.

I would be pleased if some other people were interested in helping improve it!

Anyway, the code for both of these extensions can be found on these template pages:


 * Template:Spoiler block
 * Template:Respawn Map

The respawn map is not being used on Tibia wiki at the moment, so it is open to any amount of architectural changes.

--'' Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 15:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding ;dropped by None
i wonder if we can change that, i find it annoying, cant we link it to dropped by "Quest: "

or even just Quest Item

then you can click on it, and then finally link to the quest to get it.

just wondering xD Starlight Jol 09:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll see if I can figure something out for you.

Since this information would be quest spoiling, I hesitate a little bit to make this info too visible. We don't want to ruin the game for anyone, especially people that want to figure out the quests for themselves.

-- ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 15:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the thoughts,

just a small opinion, i guess most people come here to spoil everything, not many i would think that would come here to get a small piece of info, but hey, i dont see what people look at and what they do/dont spoil :op

i despised of this site at first, but over time i have grown to love it (mainly npc searching and new items to buy etc)

I know what you mean, and that has been a hot topic in the past, which is why we should be sensitive to it.

--'' Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 15:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

DPL, again
Concerning the DPL formatting on Invisibility, it says no creatures can turn invisible. Many do turn invisible, but it does not seem to pick out the correct word in the abilities line in the Infobox_Creatures templates well. I am uncertain of how to solve this, my only idea, to add internal link brackets on "Invisibility" ( | includematch= ) did not work in preview. I hope there is a simple coding switch, otherwise another set of parameters may be needed for the infobox just for abilities, perhaps similar to the immunities line. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 22:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated note, the problem report 'Actions' are visible for me, but unusable despite what the source code says it should do.

I see that you found a way to fix the list on the Invisibility page. In case you aren't sure why it worked, or if any one else is interested, here's an explanation.

It wasn't working before, because the only included parameter was the "Name" (the line " | include={Infobox_Creature}:name "). This worked in previous versions, but they "fixed" this discrepancy with the current version. Because of that, if you want to do a regex comparison (or any comparison), then the " | include= " line needs to include the template parameter you want to compare against.

I know that won't make very much sense to most people, but it will help to look at the changes that DM made to the page. If you guys have any specific questions, just let me know. I'll do my best to answer them.

--'' Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Reporting someone
I tried to report through your special button but it didn't save. So I'll just leave it here. This user Xanejaqci vandalized: Creatures, Rashid and Chimera. Could you please kick his account? Thanks

 Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 11:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. DM put a warning on his talk page. If he does it again, he will be blocked from editing.

-- Canis meus id comedit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Xanejaqci was permanently blocked. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 15:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Immunities
I was wondering if DPL could be applied in the Template:Infobox Creature/List to read the 'immuneto' line in Template:Infobox Creature and use those values, or to display the respective images (i.e. ). I had fiddled around a bit with a test template, but had nothing conclusive. I know that you removed the immunities line, but i am just checking to see if this is a possibility. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 15:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Range category for Distance Weapons
Just a bit of idea I had, that this category should be added to Distance Weapons (similar like Lvl. Atk. Def. are standard ones) or maybe on pages for each one separately as subcategory. I think it would be quite useful since Cip has habit of changing it a lot last few updates so people ask all the time which weapon shoots longest, which spear is better etc. For example it makes all the difference hunting cults with enchanted spears with range of 4 or royals with range only 3sqm, so information like this would make sense in making permanent part of distance weapons stats. Nienna 15:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that is a very logical idea. I have added the "range" parameter to the items template. Simply add this code to any distance weapon page:


 * range    = X

Where "X" is the number of squares away that the weapon can be used to attack.

-- Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 15:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Templates and stuff
Hi, I've lurk around the wiki since you guys have move looking on what i can steal hehehe; i was untangling the esoteric templates you guys have and notice the bug report where basically the templates are running out of the allow mediawiki template inclusion space, and well come up with this ideas.


 * To substitute the (44 characters) for    (33 characters) in this examples you are saving 10 characters since i have seen its been use intensively (also to note that  its a 2 layer transclusion, so the actual characters its more than what its been show but will free space on 1 layer and pre-expand include size) that will mean a lot, also as a plus even thought its put on debate and was rejected in wikipedia its just a tiny bit less server stress (supposedly).


 * Also document the templates as a sub page since its not display in the HTML but its taken into account by mediawiki i quote from Wikipedia Template:Documentation
 * Text on the template page itself adds to the amount of text which must be processed when displaying the template, which is limited for performance reasons: there is a limits pre-expand include size maximum of 2,048,000 bytes. Placing the documentation in a subpage reduces the wikitext for documentation on the template page itself to a template call and noinclude tags. MediaWiki developers have recommended this system for this reason.


 * Also im not 100% sure its a personal guess but i think if you change HTML tables to wikitables it may reduce also the load but i will double check this.

--Cizagna (Talk) 19:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions! Help improving the wiki is always welcome!

About using the if template. You are absolutely correct, and I have changed some of them already, but I don't usually change something like that if it is working. Since we moved to Wikia, the template inclusion limit has be reduced, which is why this was not a real problem before, so I will make a more concerted effort to update these.

About the documentation on the template page, I didn't realize that it made that much of a difference. I guess I assumed that the cost for every tag was essentially the same. With that in mind, I will also start moving template documentation to a subpage, and the transcluding it in the template page. Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm also not sure about the wikitable/htmltable thing, but changing all of our htmltables into wikitables will bring up some other potential problems (unless they fixed wikitable parsing in newer versions of MediaWiki). I had attempted to migrate many tables to wikitables, but every template I used in a wikitable would break, and I had to use one of the transcluded pipe character workarounds to make it work. Anyway, I'll maybe check it out again, now that you have suggested it.

-- Veni, vidi, volo in domum redire  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I have created a new version of Template:Infobox_Creature as Template:Infobox_Creature2.

Everything on the template page was moved to subpages: The documentation sub-page is included in &lt;noinclude> tags. Depending on the parameter List, either the normal infobox-subpage (with empty parameter) or the list-template-subpage is included. I know that moving this change to Template:Infobox_Creature might break a lot, if I did something wrong. There should be no problem with the list-templates as this template is easy and the used subpage-inclusion-mechanism did not really change (I did not test this, because I would have to create creature-pages that use the Infobox_Creature2). I tried the normal infobox with a few creatures in edit-preview (edit creature page, change Infobox_Creature to Infobox_Creature2 and look at preview) and it looks fine for me. So I think it would be worth a try, because it will reduce the processing size on the server for the creature-list-pages by a factor of 10.
 * The documentation is on Template:Infobox_Creature/Documentation
 * The normal infobox is on Template:Infobox_Creature/
 * The list-template stays on Template:Infobox_Creature/List
 * The code for the normal infobox (with inclusion of the creature types) is about 25 KB in size - so with 2 MB template expansion limit this results in a maximum of 80 creatures in list-form on one page.
 * The code for the Template:Infobox_Creature/List and the new Template:Infobox_Creature2 is only about 1.6 KB. This results in a maximum of 1280 creatures in list-form on one page. (Here the real limit is probably the sum of the text in the creature-templates - but nonetheless the number will be much higher than 80.)

We should probably take a similar approach for the other templates, but right now it bothers me that the creature-list-pages with all creatures on one page do not work.

Lafajev 21:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I applied the changes you suggested (thanks for taking the time to work on that!), but it will take a while for it to propagate through all of the creature pages (the job queue length is currently over 15,000), so we won't be able to see if it will fix the long creatures lists yet.

--'' Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 22:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * looks like the number keeps getting bigger and bigger on the job queue if i see it increase to 60k i will inform wikia staff so they can take a look. --Cizagna (Talk) 02:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * yesterday i learned that job queue was change in mediawiki from actual numbers to estimation numbers and the value variates from slave to slave so, no need to get a hearth on the numbers -.- any way, has there been a change on how many more creatures can handle in the same page? --Cizagna (Talk) 18:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Gallery and creature lists
Hello Whitey. As you may already have noticed (maybe), the gallery tags and the new skin completely does not fit on the screen. You can check on Hero and Ferumbras pages history (since I removed the galleries for now) that the galleries simply ignore the standard size of the page and go below the ADs, and I don't know how to change it, and I think you do, and maybe you have a solution and galleries can be used over again.

Now about the creatures lists... I've seen some reports due to the list becoming broken at the middle.. I'm trying to see what's happening there, but would not be better to change it to DPL? I'm not sure about it, since it'll need a different table from items DPL. But I think it'll work. What do you think?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 08:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

About the galleries not fitting on the screen, I made a quick reply to your message on Erig's talk page.

Concerning the long creature lists... the problem is that they are too long. Turning these into DPL lists would produce exactly the same problem, except it would all occur on the server inside the DPL extension), and there would be no feedback to the user... the page request would only timeout.

In order to fix this problem, I made a proposal on the creatures talk page, but there have been no responses. If you have any ideas about how to improve my suggestion, please do.

-- C'est la fin des hericots  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, it looks like there has been some feedback. More is always appreciated, though!

--'' <span title="(latin) Don't applaud. Just throw money">Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem with the skin should be taken care of. With some direction from Nef, I added a script to the site that will allow users to show/hide the sidebar widgets and menus.

-- <span title="(latin) I am odd, therefore I am">Ridiculum sum, ergo sum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 16:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

About the little "menu" image, I've changed it to a "show-hide" image. I've used the same way you did, just changed the text. I also needed to change the size. From 25px it is now 50px. It must be also changed on the js that the image is 50x width, because when you "hide" it, the image does not stay on the right position. I think the new image should be better to be understand by the visitors. If you think it was a bad idea, please just revert the image I uploaded.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 21:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It is changed. Like usual, you will need to clear your browser cache or force a reload of the page to see the update. --'' <span title="(french) Like a hair in the soup">Comme un cheveau sur la soupe. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 21:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks White. I've already noticed the change. :)

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 22:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

User Page Vandal
The user Extantium ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [/&bot=1 bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Maverick the hunter

Thanks for the message. I left a warning on his talk page.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make haste slowly.">Festina lente. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 16:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask you to protect my page from editing? I know who he is, and I know that he will not care about your warnings. I don't intend in doing any other changes now. -- Maverick the hunter 16:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I really hesitate to protect user pages. It's just one of those things.

Anyway, if you really think it will be a problem, I'll go ahead and do it for you.

-- <span title="(latin) Always wear underwear on your head.">Semper ubi sububi in caput tuum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 17:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please. I don't want to feel hassled by that. -- Maverick the hunter 17:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

~
Dearest accessory in the protection of disruptive community behavior,

Maverick the hunter is not the kind of human being you should associate yourself with. It is for your protection that I tell you this.

Signed, -- Extantium

First of all, I don't understand what you are talking about.

Second, I don't respond well to threats or power abusing.

Third, my actions on this wiki, no matter how you interpret them, are for the purpose of improving and protecting the wiki. I will not change my behavior on this wiki if I do not see any benefit or need.

-- <span title="(latin) From possibility to actuality">A posse ad esse  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 20:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

~
As for your first point: I am talking about Maverick the hunter. As for your second point: Please indicate where in my message I threatened you or abused you. As for your third point: That was one of the most arrogant things I've ever read. "No matter how else it seems, I'm always working in the best interests of the wiki."

Enjoy! -- Extantium

I apologize for being so short in my last reply. I was very tired, and I should have chosen my words more carefully.

What I meant was that I do not understand how protecting the rights and reputations of wiki users was associating myself with them. I would have taken the same actions no matter who the user was. User pages have been vandalized in the past, and I acted in the same manner as I did this time.

I also (maybe incorrectly) interpreted your statement "it is for your protection" as a threat. I have encountered many threats and power abusers since I have started playing Tibia, and that phrase is used frequently by people who are trying to control my actions. I have no respect for that type of action, but I apologize if I misinterpreted your meaning.

My third statement was probably unnecessary. I was merely trying to reinforce my first point, that I was acting as an administrator of this wiki. My tone was influenced by two things: the fact that you had subverted a wiki user by vandalizing his user page and also how I had interpreted your intentions with your message to me.

I hope that this clarifies my intended message, and I apologize for not being more professional about it from the start.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

About the new outfits (8.1)
Hello,

I'm writing here because I want to make sure someone important reads it. I would like to discuss the names of the new outfits obtained through Dreamer's Challenge Quest. I have one of them and it says it's called "Brotherhood Outfit" not "Brotherhood of Bones Outfit". Therefore, I feel the names should be changed to "Nightmare Outfits" and "Brotherhood Outfits". What do you feel about it? I've asked my friends who has the Nightmare one, and it's says same, with no "Knights" in the title.

I'd be glad if you thing about it! :)

Best regards,  Kaito Yamaro  Talk  Contributions  7 January 2008 - 20:22

As with everything here, the wiki should reflect the game in order to be accurate. If the outfit names are "Brotherhood Outfit", then we should change our pages to match the correct in-game names.

Thanks for letting me know!

--'' <span title="(latin) Bread and circuses.">Panem et circenses. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 20:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I made some general changes, but it still needs to be changed at quest list and the names of the images, too.  Kaito Yamaro  Talk  Contributions  9 January 2008 - 20:41

Should be fixed now.

-- <span title="(latin) Make my day">Fac ut gaudeam  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 20:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you - that's the last thing: I will make a correct and clear spoiler to both outfits, but I need the info how many demonic essences are needed to each addon. AFAIK only Dread Lords/Lords Protectors (3000 essences) can enter the room. The problem is, what rank should I have to use the second and third scroll - how many essences should I bring to be able to use the scroll no. 2 and 3?

Thanks in advance and best regards!

PS. Could you please upload the images with new name?  Kaito Yamaro  Talk  Contributions  9 January 2008 - 21:09

Special attribs on equipments
Here I am again :). I've just noticed now that the DPL of equipments are set to show the arm attribute. With the update, many new equipments have special def (+ and -) also special atk attribs (like the Fire Axe). I've made a change on Magma Monocle adding it's special defense attributes. We could maybe change the DPL to show these attribs along with the arm, or create a new column for such additional features, and add extra fields on the infobox (I think showing the new attribs with the arm is easier).

Tell me what you think about it.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 12:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Archive Question
Hi Whitelaces, I have a question about archivating your talkpage. I tried to copy and paste some things from yours and apply it on my talkpage but when you open it with toc +/- it opens the whole page. Also another question from which I think has much to do with this. What does do? Is it an abbreviation for something? Thanks in advance,

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 18:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Everything looks good on your talk page. Are you maybe clicking on the "2007" instead of the "(toc +/-)"?

The keyword just sets the location of the table of contents. You can find more about it on wikipedia: Wikipedia:Help:Magic_words.

-- <span title="(latin) It doesn't rhyme.">Nullo metro compositum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 18:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it works now :) I added underscores instead of spaces in one link which fixed it. About table of content sounds reasonable to me. Thank you very much for the quick reaction.

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 18:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Page Visits
I'd like to reincarnate this old question as it now seems that you can't see how many people that have visited a page. <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #fff;color:#fff;background-color:#800;">Art Featherpitch 18:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure. Even changing skins back to CologneBlue does not show the number of page visits. The statistics page used to show the total number of page visits for the whole wiki, but even that is gone. It looks like Wikia does not collect information about page visits.

Even though they don't show number of visits to individual pages, you can find some other interesting statistics on these two pages:


 * http://wikistats.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaTIBIAWIKI.htm
 * Special:Statistics

--'' <span title="(latin) Gag me with a spoon!">Fac me cocleario vomere! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the page visit counters don't work on Wikia (or Wikipedia) because of the way we cache pages. It saves a lot of server resources, but does mean the page counter has to be turned off. You can sometimes use image counters on individual pages (ask if the image isn't showing, we have whitelisted one service and can do the same for others. However, that's not a solution for all pages.  One of the effects of being big I'm afraid! -- sannse (talk) 13:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Sannse! I figured it was something like that.

-- <span title="(latin) Wonderful to behold">Mirabile visu  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hiding the sidebar
Hi Whitelaces. I'm sorry, but I have to ask you to remove the js that gives the "show-hide" link on the sidebar. I can see why you added it, it's a clever idea, but unfortunately it also hides the ads. We try to have a minimum of conditions on Wikia, but not hiding the ads is one of them. I realise this need a click from the user, but it's still providing them with a way of removing our source of revenue. On the good side, the next version of Quartz skin looks as though it will have a sidebar considerably smaller than this one. Hopefully that will improve things for you. There are mock-ups of what we are working on at and. Regards -- sannse (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand, though I was reading the terms of use, and it technically does not break the policy as it is worded.

What if I make it only appear for logged-in users? Currently, the ads are replaced by the "spotlights" for logged-in users, and it would not be hiding any ads then.

I will go ahead and make it only appear for logged-in users, but if you still want me to remove it, I will.

-- <span title="(latin) Yes, that is a very large amount of corn.">Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Reading this, I have a question. Do we actually pay to get the host from Wikia? Or is it a free service? Did we pay anything before the move to Wikia? Also Whitelaces, you were right about the terms of use, it says: in a way which means other users can not view the advertisements. Cause they still can view it after clicking on the button.

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, wikia hosting is free. If Erig paid anything, it would have been for services and help moving/merging the wiki (I don't think he paid anything, though).

About the terms of use, I wasn't trying to make a big deal about it. Whether it breaks the terms or not, I will gladly remove it if they want me to. I was just trying to accommodate the users' needs, and that was the best way I could come up with.

--'' <span title="(italian) Those shoes are really beautiful.">Quelle scarpe sono veramente stupende. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 16:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes Wikia hosting is free. Or to put it another way, you pay for the hosting by us being able to put ads on the site. The intent of the part in the TOS that says "in a way which means other users can not view the advertisements" is to indicate that we don't fuss about people putting code in their personal js to hide them, or using ad blockers - although obviously we would rather people looked at them :) This situation is borderline, and it took us a bit of discussion to decide whether we felt it was OK or not.  In the end we decided it was like using a sitenotice to encourage people to block the ads with js (a situation that we've discussed before) and that we would ask you to remove it.   Please do remove it for logged in users too, the spotlights are internal ads, but still very useful to us.  Thanks again -- sannse (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I didn't mean to cause any trouble. I'll remove it.

Will there be another solution to our page-width dilemma? You mentioned a new version of the Quartz skin. When will that be released?

--'' <span title="(latin) We learn by teaching.">Docendo discimus. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Whitelaces, I appreciate the help :)

Yes, the links above show some mockups of the next version. The sidebar is considerably smaller, so hopefully that will help a lot. There is no realise date yet, but it will be the priority once all wikis are upgraded to Mediawiki 1.12. We will put up a live version on a test wiki, and then ask for users to test it and give feedback. Then, once we've made any needed changes, we'll start getting it out there! A lot of work to do, but I'm really hoping this skin will do good things for Wikia and the wikis we host. -- sannse (talk) 19:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. This kinda fits in with that whole "don't bite the hand that feeds you" thing I guess.

Also, thank you for being patient with me as we worked this out.

--'' <span title="(latin) I think some people in togas are plotting against me.">Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

DPL problems
I'm having a little problem using DPL lists for the XP/hp ratio, I made the include/table/tablerow template thingies, it works okay but for some reason I'm getting these included: List of Creatures by Exp/HP Ratio List of Creatures by Experience Points List of Creatures by Hit Points List of Creatures by Name List of Creatures by Summon Cost List of Creatures by Type and by Hit Points

I've tried adding a (or a few maybe, can't remember) page(s) to a category "lists" and used "| notcategory=Lists" but they don't want to disappear...Anyway, if you have spare time and could lend me a hand I would appreciate it. on a side note, if DPL is used for it the creature pages I guess there's no point in keeping the creaturelists bot active? Sixorish My contributions Talk page 18:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Try the "uses" parameter:

| uses = Template:Infobox_Creature

That should limit the list to articles that use that infobox template, which should not be in-use on the list pages.

-- <span title="(latin) Not of sound mind">non compos mentis  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 18:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I am already using it, only difference between your version and mine is spacing, does that make a difference? Sixorish My contributions Talk page 19:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'm not sure.

If you edit one of the list pages, it should tell you what templates are in use on the page. Is the infobox listed? I'm a little busy to check myself right now.

Maybe try doing a null-edit (save the article without making any changes) of the list page, to clear out any latent references.

-- <span title="(latin) Hold my calls">Fac ut nemo me vocet  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I found the problem, turns out the ones I added to the list category weren't being included afterall, my mistake. Anyway, since there are a few useless things now that DPL works, I will create a page, List of Creatures, which will be a DPL list to allow sorting, which will make List of Creatures by Experience Points, List of Creatures by Hit Points, and List of Creatures by Name pretty much useless, I won't change them but I don't see a point in keeping, I suggest them being deleted or turning into a redirect page but as said I won't do anything so it doesn't seem like vandalizing. I've added them all except two to lists category: List of Creatures by Hit Points and List of Creatures by Name, wiki was being too slow so i gave up Sixorish My contributions Talk page 11:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandal Report Taythefool
The user Taythefool ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary. and Knight Armor, Crown Armor, Pits of Inferno Quest/Spoiler

Sincerely, User:Bennie

The user Taythefool ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

Thanks for the reports, guys. I blocked him from editing.

--'' <span title="(latin) Say, you sure are drinking a lot.">Re vera, potas bene. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 18:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

User Report
Hi Whitelaces,

Extantium uploaded the picture [[Image:443px-Adolf Hitler cph 3a48970.jpg . I couldn't delete it (probably admin rights required). Could you delete this nonsense picture and maybe block him or something (or a warning). Thanks in advance,

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, but there may be a reasonable explanation (though I can't tell what it would be). I left a message on his talk page.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make my day.">Fac ut gaudeam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi there, As nobody waited to hear my explanation before removing the picture, I added it again. I am using the picture for a planned article on a common method of flaming used on my home world. Extantium~

I still don't understand how the image is necessary. There is also the issue of possible copyright infringement. Please edit the image page to explain where it came from so that we can prove that it is available for use in this wiki.

As far as the photo being deleted, maybe it would have been a better idea to create the article first and then upload the image. That way there would not be so much confusion over the purpose of the picture. Racial discrimination is a very sensitive topic, and a random unexplained image of Adolf Hitler can easily be misinterpreted.

Regardless of these issues, the image still needs to be reasonably meaningful for the article you are planning to write. Usually a link to a Wikipedia article is sufficient, and superfluous images may be deleted just to conserve server space, regardless of their content.

-- <span title="(latin) Nobody expects the spanish inquisition">Nemo Hispanic Inquisition expectat  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 20:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Well... it seems that the benefit of the doubt was wasted in this case. Now that your true intentions are clear, Extantium, you have been blocked from editing this wiki and the image has been deleted.

--  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 20:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Obvious vandal
The user Iamadolf ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary. Lots more pages too. also, needs deleting...

Sincerely, Sixorish My contributions Talk page 21:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Extantium again. Must be using a proxy to change his ip address. Hunter of Dragoes blocked him again.

-- <span title="(french) It's the finish of the greenbeans">C'est la fin des hericots  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 21:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Except from vandalizing your userpage he also vandalazed mine. Thanks for blocking him.

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 06:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

User Noobs is probably another account of the same vandal/abuser. He uploads images not connected with TibiaWiki content domain (Hitler.jpg). I suggest IP ban or even IP-class ban which would fit better if he has adsl network provider.

--wilk 00:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Infobox_Item change
Since the change of the template (or use of it) we've been having problems... {{Infobox_Item|List=|GetValue=| seemed to be working okay, but really was doing bad, for example; take a look at Loot/Ancient Ruins Tomb, the item appears outside of the list template it should be in...is there a way to fix it? (also, some loot lists now appear in the Amulets and Necklaces category... Sixorish  My contributions  Talk page  23:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem is with the change you made. Here's what it should be:

{{Infobox_Item|List={{{1|}}}|GetValue={{{GetValue|}}}|

This should also fix the problem of the loot lists and the amulets page showing up in some of the DPL lists.

-- <span title="(latin) Always wear underwear on your head.">Semper ubi sububi in caput tuum  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "recent changes"
Hello Whitey. This may sound as a noob question, but I can't figure out what's going on. Today I just visited the wiki, and on the recent changes there's this new feature that show only one time a page that was edited (enchanted recent changes). Well, I don't like it, I like the old style. So I just got to my preferences, and checked out that option. I saved, and I got a message "preferences changed". After that, I just clicked on the recent changes, and nothing changed. I forced a refresh (Ctrl + F5 on my browser) and nothing. Then, on my preferences, I saw that the box was marked up again... and I removed the mark again... and the message show up I saved successfully.. this time I checked my preferences again, the box was clear. Another time the recent changes didn't changed, I forced a refresh once more, and nothing. On my preferences the box is checked again, over and over again... you know what's going on?

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 07:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

On the recent changes page, try selecting "Hide enhanced recent changes" at the top.

I think that might work. I don't know why it is not saving your option in your preferences, though. If that doesn't fix it for you, then let me know and I'll contact someone at Wikia about it.

--'' <span title="(latin) May barbarians invade your personal space!">Utinam barbari spatium proprium tuum invadant! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I have exactly the same problem as Pudd Knight, maybe someone at Wikia knows anything about it. What version of MediaWiki do we use actually?

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 15:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Special:Version, it is currently MW 1.12alpha (r26409). I seem to remember reading something about Wikia using a customized codebase, but I can't find where I had read that.

-- <span title="(latin) If you can read this you're over-educated">Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 15:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've done this already White. It work, however, everytime I leave the page and come back again I must to it again. It's not something very important, just annoying.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 21:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I got a message from Wikia staff that this issue had been fixed last Thursday. Please try it again, guys, and let me know if you still have trouble.

-- <span title="(latin) It doesn't rhyme.">Nullo metro compositum est.  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 22:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's working fine now. Thanks White.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;border: 2px solid #186fc8;background-color:#3f98ed; color:white" title="My Talk"> Talk <span style="small-caps; border: 0px solid #186fc8; background-color:White; color:#186fc8" title="My Contributions"> Contribs  -- 01:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For me it also works now :) Just to let you know.

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 08:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Administrators
I just looked on the Tibiawiki:Administrators page and realized Diggersmith hasn't been active lately, this also counts for Rune Farmer, but I saw he messaged a long time ago he would stop here because he moved to the real wikipedia. My question now is, what duties do you have as an admin? Can you be unactive for years? Just curious :)

 <span title="(dutch) Who isn't smart, needs to be smart">Wie niet slim is moet slim zijn  ^^  &ordm; Bennie &ordm;  &curren; Talk &curren; ^^ 19:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty informal. There's really no method of being "removed from office" or whatever. In all history of this wiki, only one admin had his sysop status revoked, and that was because his account was hacked.

I suppose that Erig has every right to demote them to normal users if they aren't active for years, but I haven't seen anything that would indicate he would do that. I guess it's mostly because they might come back and start editing again.

That then begs the question of whether or not inactive admins would need to "re-earn" the admin status.

Basically, I don't know. That's up to Erig. Apathy and inaction go hand-in-hand, and if he doesn't care, then nothing will probably change.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bread and circuses.">Panem et circenses. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 19:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's set a rule of 1 year on no contributions gets the Administrator flag removed. If they come back within 6 months from that date, they can get the flag re-added straight away.. any longer and they have to go through the normal process. Sound fair? If so, Whitelaces, as a bureaucrat can add/remove any Administrators. However, the number of administrators should probably be maintained, so if someone is removed for inactivity, please look for replacements. :) --Erig 02:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That's cool with me.

I didn't realize that I could remove the sysop flag, I thought I was only able to add it (according to how it is defined on Wikipedia).

Anyway, I'll check out the current admins and give it a try.

--'' <span title="(latin) Bad kitty!">Feles mala! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, unless there's something I'm missing, I am NOT able to make any changes to user groups or permissions except for adding the sysop and bureaucrat flags, and setting/removing rollback privileges. This means that I am not able to remove any user from the sysop group. I even tried accessing the Userrights special page, but it tells me that only staff can use it.

Erig, unless you are able to do this, we apparently need to request these changes from Wikia staff.

Diggersmith is the only admin that has not made any contributions in the last year. All of the others (even though they may not be very active at the moment) have been around more recently.

-- <span title="(latin) We are amused by an excellent joke">Ioco optimo delactamur  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 14:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears you're right.. feel free to suggest this from Wikia staff, then. (sorry for the belated reply!) --Erig 11:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Stexito Vandal
The user Stexito ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, wilk

Thanks, Wilk. Hunter of Dragoes has blocked him.

--'' <span title="(italian) How unfaithful are Italian men, really?">Quanto sono infedeli, in realta, gli uomini italiani? '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandal report
Could you please give our little friend Liam222 a block for racism in the Troll page? vandalism permalink. I have reverted the changes.

-- Maverick the hunter 21:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the report, Maverick. I left a warning on his talk page.

In the future, if you use the "Report a Vandal" link at the top of my page, it helps me by adding all the links to their contributions, block log, etc... no biggie, just saves me some time.

-- <span title="(latin) If you can read this you're over-educated">Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ingekbanditz Vandal
The user Ingekbanditz ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary.

Sincerely, User:Kwigon the sharpshooter

Thanks for the report. I left a gentle warning on his talk page.

--'' <span title="(latin) I am the Master of the World!">Magister Mundi sum! '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 21:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)