User talk:Beejay/Archive 2

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Phrodomo
I know, but why remove the photo? It could be written on the subtitle "This is an photo that show a bug that people used to do to lure the boss outside of the teleport" I just think it isn't right, because I contribute to this Wiki and take the screen shot of the boss when nobody done. So why remove it? Why don't show Fidera killing the boss? (I couln't find the place to send a message so I'm writting it here, I'm sorry for any inconvenience). Yours, Yanchester.

Vandalism
The user Craftyjack ( talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ bot contribs] &bull; [ block log] &bull; block ) has vandalized. Please review their edits and take appropriate actions if necessary. also he vandalised Green Gem i already rollback his. Sincerely,

 ♥ Starygurl  ♥ Talk 21:21, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking care of it, they are now blocked. Beejay 21:22, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the sugg~, but Bks take like 5-8 mins to spawn, so it's not hard to add each loot meanwhile it spawns :)

Kind Regards,

Mr Raks ^^

Little problem.
Hello Beejay!

I've tryied to add a drop item on Marid's cuz seems missed on the drop table, but for any reason the creature table in the botton of the page seems so messed up, I've no idea what exactly happened cuz I only add an item, can you help me a bit with this?

Thanks in advance!

Yours, User:Netherion

Don't worry it's not something you have done. This issue occurs when there's a problem with loading the Template:Creature Types. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done to fix this as it seems to be an issue with Wikia which causes the problem. Sometimes clicking edit on a page with the problem and replacing the word edit with purge can fix it as it clears the cache of that page, but if the error is still present it won't work. Beejay 14:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Beejay! xD

I would like to know why my submission for the contest was deleted =/ I can prove that Drawn is mine if you want too!

Thanks!

Your's Hakeen!

HakeenOverhill 01:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hello. :) It was a mistake of a user removing previous submissions while adding their own, another user tried to add the previous submissions but while doing so, didn't fully add all of the removed ones. I've had a busy couple of days so I hadn't had the time to fix this, but I left a note on its talk page here when I noticed this. I have your entry here so don't worry it hasn't gone! It will just take a bit of time to reorganise this to find other possible submissions which have been removed. When I have this sorted I will inform you and others where to find those previously removed entries. Thank you for letting me know, it makes the process easier and also thank you for your patience. Beejay 20:16, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hiho User:MalukoDoido
Hi, I am one of the contestants in the Creature Contest =d The problem is that i created a monster named "Ice Golem", and I completely forgot that already exists =/ Can you edit that for me? The new name is : Ice Tower Golem.

Thank you in advance, and cya.

Edit: Second page, number 102.

I will change this soon for you. :) Beejay 09:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks man, you're the best!

User:MalukoDoido

Removed Edits
Hey Beejay...

Thanks for all the work you're doing on the Creature Contest, but I discovered something this morning that worried me; I made a few changes to my creature before it was "Accepted", yet once it was, all the changes were removed; why is that?

User:Emerald Demond

Would you mind copying the link of the changes which were removed? (it comes under: "diff") You can find them in your contributions here. The second submission page got rather messed up and it may be my fault, when trying to fix it, that I removed those changes by mistake, sorry! Beejay 09:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

http://tibia.wikia.com/index.php?title=TibiaWiki:Contest/Submissions2&diff=327781&oldid=327731

From Line 645 to Line 701...

Also, the internal image link was added, but no image is showing...

That's because the image hadn't been uploaded but the link had already been created. I am just in the process of fixing up some things on the page and I am about to add the information which I didn't mean to remove. Beejay 11:07, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Creature contest, submission updated
Heya Beejay,

I placed a new pic on my submission and removed the status 'rejected' from the title. I wasn´t sure if I should make a new submission? (submission is on page 3, no. 24)  Sadonic ( Page/Talk ), Seeker of Myth ( Page/Talk  ),  07:15, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!!
I want to thank you for correction my post on the contest. I really appreciatte it. As you can see I am kind of newbie when it comes to wikias.

I was going to try again later, I was so upset that it didn't work the first time.

I just when to let you know that :D

Thanks again.

User:SpatialArchitect

I tried making it from a link, to just a picture on the wikia..But it does'nt work, not with any of the links tibiapic gave me..

And i tried all :s

How do i do this?

User:Chimimi
I do not know how to tell that to him. User:Chimimi don't know how or he won't sign his comments on talk pages. Leree 18:20, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'll leave him a message soon. :) " ~ " Is how you can show people how to do it. Beejay 18:53, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

-Beejay

I have edited my submissions,and they should now be acceptable to your terms and guidelines.

Please accept them soon.

You can find them on page 4 and 5.

Sincerly

-Sir Entucky

I have just sent you a message, I will get on to checking those soon, thank you for changing the links. :) Beejay 18:53, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

-Beejay

Ok,

Please leave me a message when you've done so.

Sincerely

-Sir Entucky

-Beejay

They should now be complete ;)

Sincerely

-Sir Entucky

Could you accept my drawings when you read this?

Its already 29 september, and they're all handdrawn, so it was pretty much work :/

Sir Entucky

Jakke~ 05:37, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I hope so,Cause i dont want all this work to be for nothing!

-Sir Entucky

Jakke~ 15:25, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hurray, now all i have to do is win!

-Sir Entucky

Jakke~ 15:40, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Umm i cant add a picure becuse im always to busy so i was wondering if YOU could add it for me it's picure's of the skeleton already made but with a bow in his hand.

DemolitionLoover 20:01, September 30, 2010 (UTC)Updated the Evil Fairy's info :)

Added the missing info, thanks for the heads-up!

Adivali

Adivali 23:15, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

will they take my idea without the picure? if not thank you for telling me

where can i find some picure's of monster's that have been already made?

-Beejay

I've noticed some people submitted creatures from other games..

Was this allowed?

Sincerely

-Sir Entucky

-Beejay

Well, i've seen about 3 or 4 :P

But okay, i was just asking :)

-Sir Entucky

well nevermind here's a pic for my Skeleton Maceman http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080624054907/tibia/en/images/archive/d/d0/20080624172002!Skeleton_Warrior.gif

Editing
How can I edit the List of Illusionable Creatures page? Thanks in advance. Icy Alchemist 01:23, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

You can edit the page, but you cannot directly add creatures to the list. The information that the DPL picks up is from each creature page. Take Amazon for example, it is on the page because it has the illusion parameter set as "| illusionable = yes". Beejay 04:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I did that for Enraged Bookworm but it doesn't appear on the List of Illusionable Creatures. Icy Alchemist 01:37, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Mounthrize - About the Creature Contest:

There are some reports in the Tibia.com thread, Page 4 -the last posts-

Vandalism
The User:Achievements Maniac its vandalising the achievements talk page. First he uploaded fake achievements (http://tibia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Achievements&oldid=334112) without sign, and after good people discover that was an fake achievement, he deleted all the comments related to his fake achievement: http://tibia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Achievements&oldid=334143 http://tibia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Achievements&oldid=334145 Thanks, &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 23:07, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I have also sent this user a message like you did. Feel free to add the discussions this user had removed, if not, then when I find time I will readd them. The user has been warned now. Beejay 01:28, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Problems With The Loot Parser...
I'm trying to upload new loot statistics for Gargoyles, Gozzlers and Stone Golems, but after I paste the information into the box, the three creature's loot info appears, but there is no Upload button, and at the top of the boxes, there are the words "Analysing lines..."...

What could be the problem?

Emerald Demond 05:10, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have no idea about the coding involved in the loot parser. What I can tell you though, is this has worked fine for you in the past looking at your contributions and also there are other users who are currently able to add loot statistics. Therefore it may be some update to your web browser or starting to use another web browser which may not be compatible. User:Daniel Letalis is the creator of the loot parser and knows it far better than me. So talking to him would be the best option for solving this problem. :) Beejay 13:13, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Beejay; I'll keep trying it, and if the problem persists, I'll contact Daniel...

Emerald Demond 14:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

P.S: Just tried it, and it's working again...

Emerald Demond 14:28, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

RUNED SWORD
"I've seen the sword going for 70-130k so, this user is most probably triying to manipulate the price in his favour" about this comment made by Old rush wood.

''I didn't know runed sword was pretty easy to obtein it seems monsters dropped it a lot, like if ferumbras appears every weekend or something, excuse me but the runed sword on my server doesn't go for less than 400k. It is not like there are a lot of runed swords. You guys are most probably trying to manipulate the price in their favor. So please stop using your capability to edit information to get profit from it WICH IT IS NO MY CASE. ''

Diabolic Imp
I was reading achievement talk page and I saw your comment: Isn't there one where you use a leaver and sacrafice Demonic Essences to be changed into a Diabolical Imp? Can you tell me something more about it? It is very interesting and I have never heard something about it. Dyror 15:28, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I have read about this before which is why it popped up in my head about the achievement. I've never actually tested this but I do remember that there's a lever down at Alchemist Quarter where you can stand. There's also a sign near that lever saying something like "transmutation device" or atleast a warning giving some clue about this machine. It's been a while since I have been in that area with the Demon so I cannot remember for sure of the location, although it makes sense to me that it is at the Demon area. Reason being, is that there's the contamination thing at the Nightmare(s) and sealed Quara Predator which makes you invisible for a few seconds. I'd assume that this would change your appearance back into a person. Note: it may be a Concentrated Demonic Blood instead of a Demonic Essence but I believe it was the essence that was required. Hope that helps! Beejay 16:21, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding what I wasn't so sure about before. Yes there is a place you can stand with a lever under the area with the Quara Predator and Nightmares. It is north in the room that has the Plaguesmith in. I have just seen this happen for myself now (Necta just tested). You stand on the platform/switch with a demonic essence to your right on the "table" then pull the switch/"transmutator", you become a Diabolic Imp and then when going through the contamination thing, you become normal again. Might be worth mentioning that you don't get an achievement for doing it once, there is still the possibility that you can get that achievement if you do it more though. Beejay 15:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Loot statistics
Hey,

How can i add loot statistics?

I was looking around on the wikia to find a program for it or somthing a like..

Because people dont just write it down (i hope, cause then i wont do it ,haha)

Could you tell me how i can do this?

And what I need to make a loot statistic?

-Sir Entucky

Jakke~ 20:03, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

To make loot stats, all you need to do is use your server log on the tibia client. You copy and paste this information into TibiaWiki's Loot Statistics parser. The only things you need to consider is making sure you clear the server log after entering data so that previously added data is not added again. The other thing to keep in mind is that the loot statistics parser does not consider summoned creatures, so if you know you have killed summoned creatures, it is best to just not add those statistics at all unless you know beforehand which kills are summons and which aren't.

To find where to add your loot statistics, on the left there is a sub category to Creatures, under there is Loot Statistics which is the correct page. You can also search for it and it will take you to the right place to go. You can also find the loot statistics link through every creature's loot statistics page and you can also find it on my user page. :) Beejay 23:54, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

New look
Hi there,

I just stopped by here to check out the wiki in the new look and noticed there wasn't a custom theme yet. I see you have a nice wordmark, and I added the "Rock garden" theme for now. Has the community started talking about the new look at all? I am happy to start a conversation somewhere, or to answer any questions you may have. I also left a message for Hunter of Dragoes and Sixorish. Cheers, Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 23:25, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

The wordmark for the new skin wasn't created by the TibiaWiki staff, the one for the current/old skin was one creatured by a user through a contest. About the new look, I am happy for you to make a conversation about it. As for a personal TibiaWiki skin for the new look, it isn't something I want or feel I should do, mainly because I am a fairly new admin. While I know it should be done, as I have now seen the new skin you have put in place, I feel it is fine and more fitting for TibiaWiki. Beejay 01:24, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hello,

I initially was a bit "con" towards the whole new skin thing but with the background fitting with the logo and the color a bit brown themed around it seems nice to me. I will start a discussion here. Just one question to you Sarah (if you're reading this). The recent changes were removed (as well as other boxes in the left of the page). Is there a way to customize the new wiki skin (it's called Oasis, isn't it?) to get that functionality back? ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 16:50, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Beejay & Beenie, User:Game widow recently added a custom skin here to better match your wordmark. Feel free to modify or get in touch with her for requests. As for the recent changes link, you can add it to your my tools, allowing you to have quick access to it, or you can reach it by clicking on "See all activity" on the Wiki activity page. There is not a way to add it back. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 16:32, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll enable the new skin now for everyone, because I have a feeling our community won't speak up until they have seen the new look. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 18:23, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, you can not enable it for the whole wiki, but rather users must opt in in their preferences to see it. Starting this Wednesday, user preferences will be switched for everyone to see it. You will have the ability to switch back to Monaco (opting out of the new look) until November 3rd, but then it will be removed as an option. You may want to read through our FAQ here. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 21:49, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Potential Vandal
Left a message on whitelaces talk page yesterday, but have since realised he's not really active anymore, so this is more a heads up that there's one I feel is worth checking out (and details are on whitelaces talk-page). To save putting too many lines onto your page, it ought to be sufficient to simply say that the details are on his and request that it be looked into. (Domyl 02:03, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

I think he added kills from past updates.  ♥ Starygurl  ♥ Talk 02:41, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty sure that isn't it - going into edit histories (on ferumbras initially) it's clear that items have been added that were not on the loot lists of the kills from prior updates (eg: Shadow Sceptre), that doesnt mean it isnt dropped by Ferumbras necessarily, but it does show that its not just a copy/paste of previous statistics. In other words - yes, the number of kills would match, but the items involved (and their numbers) do not. At any rate, even if that WAS the case, it would still be inaccurate data as far as tibia 8.6 is concerned, which would still class as vandalism surely? For Massacre, he's added 5 kills (where previous update kills, if trustworthy, total 27. For Morgaroth, he's added 5 kills again, where only two previous kills existed (again, including items which were not previously verified by loot statistics). For Ghazbaran, he added 2 kills. Again, the number of kills involved does not match up with the number that had been uploaded previously.

If it had been just one, it would be mildly suspicious that someone uploads multiple statistics IN ONE UPLOAD (meaning: one pasted server log into the loot parser) when these bosses spawn so rarely that it would simply not be possible to have killed 2 ferumbras within one server log. However, given that this has been done by the same user on multiple bosses, something smells seriously wrong here to me. (Domyl 03:14, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

Regarding the message you left on User talk:Whitelaces. The simple thing to do is to not speculate and just ask User:Rulamaso where they got their statistics from. Even if they uploaded 5 ferumbras kills in one go, it doesn't mean they got their data from an inaccurate/suspicious source. Besides, it's quite obvious to me that rare bosses could easily have 100's of items that have never been looted. And if this user is anything like me, they will save stats to upload later, (meaning: multiple server logs together). Although, I already see the problem with uploading boss statistics like this.

Vandals are considered people who deliberately do acts to add wrong/off-topic info/remove right info etc. Therefore, I don't see them as a vandal, because they have many good edits from the past even if I do see the boss stats as a little strange. If in doubt, check the user's contributions and talk page before jumping to conclusions! :) Beejay 14:44, October 17, 2010 (UTC) Well, originally I was looking to see the chances of ornamented axes being looted (because I'm selling one and someone asked whether its even a common ferumbras drop... which statistics suggest it isnt), the number of kills looked fairly high for a client version that isnt really that old so I checked the history to see how often it was being killed and uploaded.

In fact, it was looking through the users edit history that found the other bosses with large numbers of uploaded kills. The initial suspicion being that it was probably either a vandal (ie: deliberate false information) or someone uploading loots from screenshots found on forums elsewhere (which would be second-hand information and potentially suspect - for it to be reliable the screenshots would have to be genuine, and it would require trust in the user being able to detect if a shot was not genuine) - it seems implausible that one player has, personally, killed that many (ferumbras, massacre, etc) for a client version that has only been out for 3.5 months.

The addition of new items wasnt something I was using as evidence of suspect uploading, that was merely to demonstrate (related to starygurl's comment) that it clearly was not simply copying in the statistics of the previous update. Nothing more than that.

Aha - I see that "vandal" wasnt the right word to use in the context of this forum, and clearly my use of it suggested I thought it was deliberate mis-information, which I'm not convinced it was. But at least, I think its rather odd to be adding that many boss statistics AT ALL nevermind in one go - I understand combining loot logs (and have done it myself) but when it comes to bosses, would you really withold the stats with the expectation that you'd kill another before the next update?? I know I wouldnt (with bosses meaning random/rare spawns, not KitN bosses).

Finally, may I propose an update to the loot statistics page outlining some basic guidelines? Things such as: what acceptable sources are (eg: do you suggest that it's ok for users to upload from screenshots, from those that friends send them or suggest they only upload their own kills), what kind of evidence is required (eg: whether the player has to be CERTAIN that the statistic is accurate from firsthand experience, whether a pasted "loot of...:" message is acceptable, whether a typed out line from a screenshot is valid, etc) and perhaps a suggestion that loot statistics are supposed to give as accurate a picture as possible of what the monster is likely to drop (meaning that stats from hunts with bad loot are just as valuable as those from hunts that provided good drops), etc. Obviously you cannot verify whether players upload relative to such guidelines or contrary, but it would be (in my opinion) better than the present situation where there are no stipulations. Or should there simply be a disclaimer saying that statistics can come from anywhere and shouldnt necessarily be trusted?

Ps. I dont feel I was jumping to premature conclusions - my conclusion was that its suspicious, which I stand by (afterall, it was the looking at previous contributions which showed that multiple kills of other bosses had also been added). That isnt to say that it IS inaccurate information (whether deliberate or not) or that I don't respect the other uploads of the user (which from what I saw seem ok), it's to say that I felt this was suspicious and worth looking into. Thank you for your time and attention, all the best

(Domyl 15:41, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

Lots to read! What I meant is the way you went about this user's edits regarding these bosses, appeared as though you didn't trust the user so went to admins instead. People don't bite, you can ask them things! Anyways, I have sent them a message asking about it now.

I think making a guide for the loot statistics is a good idea, personally though, I don't have the time to think one up and I have plenty in mind to do already when I eventually have the time. That's not to say that you can't do one and add it to the page, if you would like, the page isn't protected anyway. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding statistics from other people, such as from screenshots or cams etc. but I don't think adding single statistics should be done for commonly hunted things, e.g. someone uploading a dl that dropped dragon scale mail wouldn't be much use and would interfere with the accuracy. But I think it really does help to see if anyone else has uploaded the same statistics first and if possible, to check the client version as to not add old stats. That's unless, nothing has changed with that creature because then it's fine to add old ones. If in doubt then users should leave out those statistics and I think that a note saying something like it isn't 100% known where these stats are uploaded from wouldn't hurt, although, I think that is quite obvious. Well, you know what kind of things should and shouldn't be on there.. Beejay 16:27, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I get typing and end up just carrying on. There were several reasons I thought it was an issue for admin to deal with rather than a direct-contact one. Firstly (mainly), the loot statistics page not being clear on what statistics to upload, what to not upload etc. For example, I would have thought (it seems, incorrectly) that uploading from screenshots would be prohibited (or rather, that being impossible, requested against), because its simply not a good idea for several reasons. For starters, when you upload a statistic from a screenshot, you have to be SURE that the shot is genuine in order for the data to be reliable (and from a community point of view, having it suggested that screenshot uploads are reliable would open the doors for people adding screnshot loot without knowing whether/how to check for a screenshot being false). A more relevant point (as you eluded to) is that people generally take screenshots of monsters that have given them a good drop, not of a whole server log with varied statistics - so lets say I upload some stats from someones dragon-lord hunt screenshots, the chances are that I'd be adding a larger proportion of good drops than would be expected during a hunt. Obviously this particular concern isnt relevant to rare-spawn bosses, but still is for KitN bosses for obvious reasons. Another reason is that a screenshot in the public domain is likely to be seen by multiple people - for example, you could easily have multiple users seeing a screenshot of a ferumbras kill on tibiapic and all of them upload its loot, skewing the statistics With it seeming most likely (to me) that the stats uploaded were either from screenshots or simply made up, the lack of guidelines makes it difficult to decide whether its even prohibited and worth contacting the user about. Although my enquiry seems accusatory (reading back on it) and wasn't clear about this, the reason for requesting admin enquiry was that in the absense of such criteria by which to judge, admin would seem to be the only people actually ABLE to judge whether it was even worthy of enquiring about. I understand that stats like this are never going to be truly accurate as people can (and will) upload stats from good hunts more than from poor hunts, from screenshots and from innacurate souces (eg: OT) and should always be taken with a pinch of salt (so a reminder that they're never truly accurate seems to be a good idea regardless of what guidelines are added). That said, if you want me to type out some basic guidelines and drop you a line when it's done (for checking, since its an important and oft-used page) then I'd be happy to - obviously though, what these guidelines are is a matter of debate, though I'd say that guidelines designed such that (if followed) they make the statistics as accurate as possible would be the most desirable. Would you agree with that diagnosis as a basis for writing such guidelines? (Domyl 16:50, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

Really sorry, I seem to have written another essay on the subject >< (Domyl 16:51, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

Guidelines: Loot statistics
Added some as per our discussion above...

If you get time, please check it out. I've kinda worked on the assumption that maximising accuracy is the main aim, so certain guidelines I put were to try to get the stats as accurate as possible. (Domyl 20:02, October 17, 2010 (UTC))

I have made some minor changes to be more fiting with the rest of TibiaWiki. I will check more when I have a bit more time. Looks good so far. Beejay 00:09, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

changes in website
Is it possible to change the wiki outfit to the one from yesterday, this new one show a botton in the special page.

Maguu 01:05, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Special:Preferences, you can find it under "more", if you are using the old skin. Beejay 12:53, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks alot bro, the old skin was so bugged, the page never let me see the botton. When i was near the bottom it scroll up automatically, lol, now with Monaco it is working good again. Thanks again!! Maguu 00:59, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Feel free to share your thoughts on the community portal talk page about the skins. :) Beejay 01:23, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Creature contest
"Creature Contest Edit Thank you for taking part in TibiaWiki's creature contest. The images you added for your submissions Mutated Auroch and Shirty Camel do not appear to be self made, especially looking at the outline of the camel picture. Is there a way you can prove that these images are indeed self made? Beejay 18:46, September 30, 2010 (UTC)"

Its what did you told me. Sorry for do not answering by for so long but I already don't even know how it works here :) All what I can say is, at firstly I made another one monster called "Serpent Cave" so there are 3 monsters. Secondly all of those pictures was been maded by my person. I was used photoshop to do them as I remember It was allowed. If you are interested I can search (if I still have some) and send you working photos mean not ending as they are in contest . "Mutated Auroch" and "Shirty Camel" was been done just in photoshop also my "Serpent Cave" was painted on my computer by me I maded photo and edit them in photoshop to. It takes a lot of my time to do all of those monsters. I will patiently waiting for your reply and if you decide you want some of "study form of those photos" I will send them to you.

Greetings Rachelka 13:03, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, I think the confirmation is enough. Since the two submissions haven't been removed I think it's safe to just accept them. Regarding your other submission Serpent Cave, it had been accepted already so there's no need to worry about that one. Beejay 13:18, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Question concerning the latest Creature Contest
Hi

Seeing as how the website got revamped I couldn't find the link to the creature contest, in which I participated with 3 entries. I would like to know what happened to it and if/where I can find it. Also, a possible date for the results with the winners and other important things. Thank you.

The creature contest is still there, you can find it by searching for contest. If you want to, you can also change the new wikia's design to an older one by going through your user preferences. Please see User:Bennie for more information regarding the contest. Thank you. Beejay 13:18, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I have sold 2 of these recently on two different game worlds, (Antica and Xerena) and bought another one on Nova.

I know for a fact that the price that was previously given of 500,000 - 700,000 is incorrect, as I sold one for 5,000,000 and another for 6,000,000.

I have evidence that the price is such as I have dealt with this item extensively in game; What evidence do you have to refute these facts, if any ?

Perhaps you could do some research before arrogantly reverting changes which you clearly know little about.

Thankyou.

Aoa, (please remember to sign your message on talk pages - if unsure, you'll see the note at the top of the page explaining how). I presume (though I cannot speak directly for Beejay) that the decision to revert would be due to it being very much a world-based deal. The particular worlds that you have experience with the item may have particularly high values (due to low numbers of the item in existance there perhaps) or you may just have gotten lucky. Ofcourse, you may even be correct that the price on multiple worlds (ie: more than just the two that you know about) is in multiple millions, but that does not mean that it is everywhere (or even a majority). With items of this kind (previously relatively easy to attain, now very difficult to attain) the values will span a very wide range - as is seen with ornamented axes which go for as low as 50 thousand on some worlds and well into multiple hundreds of thousands on others. I would say the currently printed range is likely to represent the majority (500k-6kk) but that putting a value of 5kk-6kk (which you did previously) is dubious - it could very easily be seen as an attempt to artificially increase the value for personal benefit (eg: "PlayerX: Go see wiki, it says 5kk-6kk, im not selling below 4kk" when the item is worth much less than that on the world in question) when a much wider range would be more appropriate - and as it happens, I would personally agree with the value you posted most recently (500k-6kk). Super specific numbers are not appropriate for super-rare items where the number on the server is low and 10 or 15 of the item will sway the value DRAMATICALLY. I would be careful about throwing accusations of arrogance around, especially when followed with a line that could be seen as arrogance personified (presuming to be more knowledgable than someone whos knowledge you know next to nothing about). (Domyl 14:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC))

Thanks Domyl, I don't think my previous explanation was clear enough for some reason.

Removing the copied information you put here, I know full well what the page says, but thanks. So why do I need to show evidence that my motives for reverting your edit aren't just? You have dealt with this item on 3 out of 77 worlds and know this item's prices? You call me arrogant? You're evidence is unseen. Prove to me that people buy this item for 1,000,000+ on every server like you claim and you can have it as that price. But to be honest, with the extensive knowledge you claim to have of this item, it appears that you are merely trying to make this price so for every server, which isn't going to happen. TibiaWiki shows guidelines and information of items, in doing so it attempts to show the prices of all servers, not a few, not the majority, but as many as it can.

You are an unknown contributor, you do not follow the standards and you made a dramatic price change for an item. I am not the one in question here, so don't insult me. I thought with the obvious points I left on your talk page that you would be aware of why I reverted your edit. You don't seem like you are unintelligent, so I don't know why you would call me arrogant, I am stating how it is on TibiaWiki. If you have a problem about the way the prices are done, then start up a conversation about this in the right place on TibiaWiki talk:Community Portal, instead of venting it on me. Beejay 00:34, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Im new in wikia and I didnt know how to read ur msgs or how to write you back. What you say might be true, that not all onslaught are botters/cheaters, but big part of them are. If I made a list here I'd have to type more than half the guild (only ones that I know about, theres prolly more). Also they are hosting other small quests such as banshee, goroma, mermaid comb and they kill people who dont pay for their service (there was a player recently killed for trying to do mermaid comb quest, Arqueiro Da Leste). I want to state this because people who make world transfers read this section, and they should know whats the truth about the server, what's really going on, and not only who were the first levels 100/200 etc and its history.

God of asians (please remember to sign comments - if unsure, you'll see instructions above for how to do so). As regards information on world-pages, some servers pages have pro/con lists for that world - things like relative prices of items, whether there are many or few players (ie: whether caves are empty or full and whether respawn rates are slow or fast). If the server is dominated by a particular group of players, then it may be suitable to have lists such as these with a "cons" point noting that there is a group of players with a monopoly over quest services. Note: I dont speak for anyone but myself, obviously you've asked for an administrators opinion - mine is simply a prediction of what you may expect to hear from the admin. (Domyl 17:25, October 26, 2010 (UTC)) Additional - having looked more closely at the edit history of the page in question (Trimera) it is immediately obvious why your edits were reversed. Specific allegations of botting and powerabusing are not relevant to this site. They are both fairly common themes on a number of servers (unfortunately), but for a fansite to have pages openly accusing specific groups of players as such is not suitable. It is understandable to be unhappy with such problems (as YOU see it), but remember that tibia's staff has the responsibility to deal with it, and in the case of bots there is already a system in place to catch them. Sorry, but your version of that page was wholly inappropriate. (Domyl 17:43, October 26, 2010 (UTC))