Talk:Items

main page...
why couldn't i find this page?? whatever, this should be added to front page soon, i think whether it is complete or not.--DM 14:19, 30 May 2005 (EDT)

i know.. Main page needs more sections.....

this should be added and the creature and spell list too --Lord de los Druidas 14:23, 30 May 2005 (EDT)

shops prices of rare items
Is there a point in adding Shop prices for items that would never be sold in a shop? Like Demon Armor or MPA? I don't think they would ever be sold in a shop except by foolish people, and should averaged prices that items are sold for between people be posted, like a Fire Axe can be sold to people for about 10-20k or something? --DM 13:48, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT) I know...who the hell will sell a golden armor for 1500!!!???.... but information is information.....=P --Lord de los Druidas 14:48, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Body Equip
Why helmets,armors,legs and boots have in atributes "def" instead of "arm"? Def atribute is only for weapons and shield... And nobody found that little mistake? Taliboy

They should all be correct by now. With the new lists for the different item pages, it is easy to see which ones are different from eachother, and be easier to make them all uniform.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 10:44, 30 March 2006 (CST)

Separate Section For Quest Items?
There are several quests now where you get items through the process of completing the quest, which you then have to give up as part of the quest. Examples: the cookbook in Blue Djinn, the Report in Blue Djinn, Tear of Daraman in Green Djinn, Tons of stuff in Explorer Society and Banuta quest. These are items ONLY recovered and lost in the process of doing a quest (not the same as turning in a banana for a questie in Rook, for example). Should these have their own section? They're not really decoration, and not really valuables either..

--Digger Smith 08:54, 18 February 2006 (CST)

I went ahead and added a new page for Quest Items. The overview on the page should be a good description of what qualifies as a "Quest Item".

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 10:44, 30 March 2006 (CST)

Re-organize
I'm going to re-organize the Items page.

Reasons I want to re-organize it:
 * Prevent maintaining the lists in two places
 * I find the items page hard to find things on... I always go to the item class pages now for info
 * The categories on this page do not match the way the items have been organized on this site - there are currently two different sets of "item categories" that seem to be competing with eachother.
 * I think the page is kinda ugly.

I think I'm going to make it basically a list of all of the smaller items pages (Quest Items, Decorations, Axe Weapons, etc.), but I want some feedback.

I'm toying with a couple ideas:
 * Turning the Items page into a list of links (with very brief description) to the different "item class" pages
 * Having the Items page include the different "item class" pages - result would be a full list of items on this page (listed like the item class pages), but they would be maintained on the sub-pages.

If you have any questions, just ask. I'll do a work up in the Playground if you guys need it.

If I don't get any responses pretty soon, I'll just pick one. It can always be adjusted later.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 10:44, 30 March 2006 (CST)

 I'd preffer the 2nd option. So we can have a list alike the Creatures page, but with a small description of every class

--Kaio 11:33, 30 March 2006 (CST) 

The biggest problem I see with the second option, is that the page would be VERY large. I'm not sure that would solve the problem of finding things.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 13:10, 30 March 2006 (CST)

I made two pages for what I was thinking:


 * TibiaWiki:Playground/Items1
 * TibiaWiki:Playground/Items2

I DEFINTELY like the first one better. It loads fast, is nicely condensed, easy to browse and find something, and then you can get more details on the different list pages.

I'm going to go ahead and use it. If someone can come up with a better way, please do! Make something in the Playground so we can all see it.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 13:47, 30 March 2006 (CST)


 * I see the option you took was the best. I'm using it already in the Tibiawiki in spanish :P
 * Regarding this, I added the wand and rods to the weapons table and changed the format to wiki table.
 * Would it be a good idea to put all tables in the Wiki format?
 * --Kaio 03:48, 2 April 2006 (CDT)

Thanks for noticing that Rods and Wands were missing. They are pretty important to have on this page, too.

About tables, I don't think it is necessary to use Wiki tables in templates, etc. It's actually better to use html tables in templates, because of the reduced load on the parser.

In content pages, I think you are correct. They should be done with Wiki tables. The biggest problem with that is just that most people don't know how to make them, and it might stop some contributers from making changes.

Overall, I'm pretty indifferent about which table code is used on content pages. I wouldn't go to any lengths to make all of the tables one or the other.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 07:58, 3 April 2006 (CDT)

Nice job! New layout is much, much better. --Erig 23:39, 26 April 2006 (CDT)

Thanks! I'm glad you like it.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 07:59, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

Template:Ifeg?
What is the link coming into every items-page? Does it have something to do with the new Mediawiki? Mocca-Kahve 06:53, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Galoy edited it and i tried to revert it but he was the only contributor...and i deleted it to fix it...but is not working :S
 * --Lord de los Druidas«|»Talk«|»«|» Contributions«|» 11:58, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

I think it's related to the new MediaWiki...because when Galoy edited it, it was blank..i deleted it..and its now working yet...

But, lets wait for Whitelaces...he is good fixing templates...
 * --Lord de los Druidas«|»Talk«|»«|» Contributions«|» 12:18, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Wow, you flatter me. Anyway, it is not a problem with the template. There's more information at TibiaWiki:Bug_reports.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 11:18, 10 July 2006 (PDT)

Showing item class
I think that it would be more useful if the weapons template will show also a number of hands (item class) used by the weapon: one- or two-handed (could be just a number 1 or 2). It will be easier than opening each profile. And also make use of links One-Handed_Sword_Weapons and Two-Handed_Sword_Weapons to be not only redirectors, but to show the proper weapon class. --LoneWolf 18:26, 9 September 2006 (PDT)

I updated the weapons lists so that they say how many hands each weapon requires, but I'm hesitant to make all of the separate "xxx-Handed xxx Weapons" pages... every weapon change would require updating multiple pages, and it would probably be overlooked by some people, then the different pages would be outdated.

Maybe it's not such a big deal, but I'll let someone else make those pages if they want to try and keep them updated.

-- Whitelaces &dagger; Talk &dagger; &chi;&rho;&iota;&sigma;to&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta;, &alpha;&lambda;&eta;&theta;&omega;&sigmaf; &alpha;n&epsilon;&sigma;t&eta; -- 07:11, 11 September 2006 (PDT)

Christmas Items
Delatus: How about making a category for Christmas items? Because we have a category for the party items, which is in an event, and christmas is also an event. Or we could make a category with "Event items".

Indeed, we should add "Christmas Items" category, as Delatus just explained.

I think it would be very appropriate to have another page for "Christmas Items".

-- Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:12, 11 January 2007 (PST)

Other Objects
In Tibia, there's a LOT of other objects, that are not considered as items because they are not movable, but should as well be explained in this wiki, my suggestion is to add an Objects list page, that could be divided into many categories, such as: Maybe some of these items should not be listed like that (different categories) and also if they don't provide any useful information to the players, only those that at least help so players can have a better general knowledge of the game, since players should be able to identify many different objects and know what are their uses, if any. We would need templates to list these objects, aswell as an infobox for them. With this, we would not only organize and categorize those objects that have already been explained in this wiki, but add a lot more that haven't been added.
 * Nature
 * Trees
 * Bushes
 * Flowers
 * Rocks
 * Etc.
 * Lamps
 * Wall Lamps
 * Street Lamps
 * Coal Basins
 * Etc.
 * Signalization
 * Sign
 * Etc.
 * Utilities
 * Switches
 * Dustbins
 * Mailboxes
 * Stairs
 * Ladders
 * Holes
 * Blackboards
 * Etc.
 * Liquid Containers
 * Wells
 * Wine Casks
 * Beer Casks
 * Etc.
 * Item Containers
 * Depot
 * Sarcophagus
 * Etc.
 * Totems (like those in Tiquanda)
 * And the like
 * Fields (to specify which are walkable, fishable, etc.)
 * Dirt (and the diff. types)
 * Grass (and the diff. types)
 * Lava
 * Slime
 * Water (and the diff. types)
 * Etc.
 * Indoors Furniture and Miscellaneous
 * Beds (diff. types)
 * Big Table
 * Counters
 * Doors (diff. types)
 * Windows
 * Mats (like those bear furs)
 * Etc.
 * Outdoors Furniture
 * Benches
 * Etc.
 * Etc.

Don't know if there has been talk about this before but here's my proposal.

Every item, should have at least certain attributes in it's infobox, such as:
 * Name
 * Image
 * Flavor Text
 * Location (example: Almost everywhere on Tibia)
 * Usage (example 1: Use on this object to go up one floor level., example 2: Throw items on top of this item to erase them permanently.)
 * Notes

I haven't been eager to add much of this info, because to my knowledge we don't have standards (good infoboxes, templates) for this kind of information, it's just a bunch of articles with no organization at all.

I think that would be great. It would be moderately valuable to have these "extra objects" listed in the wiki, but I agree that we need to keep them separate from the current list of items to avoid clutter and confusion.

If you need me to make the infobox template for it, just let me know.

--'' Re vera, potas bene. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 08:06, 19 January 2007 (PST)

It sounds great. I don't have spare time on this weekend, but I would be pleased to help to fill in many itens, maybe on sunday evening, if the templates are created I could add such itens and even more.

--  &dagger; Pudd Knight &dagger;  Talk  Contribs  -- 11:47, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Well, I started the Objects page, I'm waiting for you all to contribute.

But.... there's some stuff that have to be thought of first. As for now, my concern is, there's a few containers (Bookcase and Wardrobe and maybe others) that are considered as items, they are found on buildings, they can't be bought nor moved, like Sarcophagus, should they be considered as items or just as objects? If considered as objects, they have to be removed from the items page.

Continue this talk here.

08:45, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Dropped By
The creatures listed in the dropped-by note should be written in singularis (eg. "Hero") and not in pluralis ("Heroes"). I'll wait for reactions before fixing this.  Art Featherpitch - The mispseller -  Spam me     12:30, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

i agree art &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 07:11, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Item History
I propose that we create some kind of new space on item pages for the history of that item, could be just anoughther bullet piont like "name" or "notes" or an entirly new box below the existing item template thing with its own hedders (ie: Introduced, Previous art files, Major changes) but these heading could all be combined into one small heading in the current infobox/template thing. As it is some pages have history content in there notes section wich looks messy and isnt relevent at all, this quite offten leads to this information being removed from the wiki wich i belive to be abad thing. The more info the better anyways lookingforawrd to some feedback allso i dont mind doing the work on this but ill need some template help to begin with. &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 07:11, 23 May 2007 (PDT) Ps the same could go for monster pages

I agreed with disaster i would be great to know the item history  Gapax The Great <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #FFFF00;color:#800000;background-color:#6B8E23;"> Talk To Me  <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #FFFF00;color:#800000;background-color:#6B8E23;"> Check My Work   07:20, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

just a simple example of how it could look - my idea &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 22:41, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

Okay, I think it is time to consolidate this conversation and explore some more options before we make any of these changes.

Here are the options, as I see them, for including historical information in or about articles:


 * Add another line to various infobox templates (Items, Creatures, etc.) probably under the "notes" section (as disaster suggested)
 * Benefits: Easy to find, easy for wiki editors to contribute
 * Drawbacks: Does not work for all articles, may unnecessarily clutter pages making them harder to read


 * Add a sub-page for historical information (e.g. "Demon/History" would contain historical information about the creature "Demon")
 * Benefits: Well structured, fairly easy to find, fairly simple for wiki contributors
 * Drawbacks: When the primary article is moved or renamed, then the sub-page would need to be manually moved also.


 * Add the word "History:" before the article name (e.g. "History:Blessed Shield" would be the history article for the "Blessed Shield")
 * Benefits: Same as using a subpage, slightly easier to find in searches
 * Drawbacks: uses a pseudo-namespace, which might cause problems in future versions of MediaWiki software, and can confuse users about what a "namespace" is.


 * Have one separate article of historical information (as Clyde suggested on Talk:History)
 * Benefits: Centralized location of information, thematic article
 * Drawbacks: Not structured, will eventually result in one or more very large articles, can be difficult to find specific information.

Alright, these seem to be our options.... please offer your thoughts and ideas.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make my day.">Fac ut gaudeam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:39, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

im up for anything that involves history being added to pages, i lack the skills to construct any of the changes other than the one ive already shown. allthough i think a totally new page for history would be unneeded, allthough the subpage idea interests me somewhat, how about a separate infobox bellow the existing one containing all the historical stuff? &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 06:16, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Hmmm... I'm not sure that a separate infobox below the existing one is a good idea... it seems that it would only compound the drawbacks of adding it to the existing infobox.

At this point, I think my preference is to use either the "/Subpage" or the "History:" prefix. If that's what we use, then it would be simple to add a link from the infobox (the link could only be visible if the history page exists for that article).

Any more thoughts? Anyone?

-- <span title="(latin) From possibility to actuality">A posse ad esse  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 06:22, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

in case u didnt notice the idea has been posted for weeks :p havent gotten alot feedback :-/. but i am fine with prefix or subpage, prefix is easyer to edit and easyer to create though &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 06:26, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Subpages sound like the best idea, yeah. The drawbacks were fairly weak there. <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #fff;color:#fff;background-color:#800;"> Art Featherpitch - The mispseller - <span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:2px solid #000;"><span style="font:small-caps bold 9px/1 verdana;border:1px solid #fff;color:#fff;background-color:#800;"> Spam me     06:51, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Hmmm... I'm still not completely sold one way or the other. Maybe subpages would be the better option, based on how we are using subpages elsewhere in the wiki.

I'll go ahead and make a prototype page, and we can see how it works.

--'' <span title="(latin) Make my day.">Fac ut gaudeam. '' --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:27, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

sounds good, on a side note we shoudl allso consider doing the same for monster pages. &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 07:29, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Yes... once we get this figured out how exactly we are going to do it, this will potentially apply to all articles in the wiki. Hunting areas, Hometowns, NPCs, Creatures, EVERYTHING (that has an interesting history, anyway).

-- <span title="(latin) There is no free lunch">Nullum gratuitum prandium  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 07:37, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

ive seen the example created but the page does not link to it at this point, is there anyway to work that into the existing template so that it will appear automaticly (if the page has been created) &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 23:03, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, no problem. I was kinda waiting to see what people thought about the page first, but I'll go ahead and add a link to the template.

-- <span title="(latin) Hold my calls">Fac ut nemo me vocet  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:43, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

looks good :-), allthough the history link could be slightly larger &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 19:53, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

I feel subpages are the best mode and most in accord with the rest of the wiki. They would also eliminate the need for a larger page which i suppose would become quite cluttered. Certain pages such as specific items or creatures could simply incorporate history in the notes, if it is less content. I took the page of Rose Shield and added the history page, as an example for items. Here info of the past concerning the page are moved to /History, but the other content more relevant to the present stay in notes. Possibly a template could be made for history pages as they develop, including: image, name, flavor text, history; as can be seen on Rose Shield/History. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 12:01, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

I'm not sure I like this template....

First of all, it looks way too much like the actual item page. When I first came here, I was confused about what I was looking at.

My other complaint is that I think the history needs to be more free-form. I can't think of a good way to allow the flexibility that would make these history pages valuable.

Normally a template would be a great idea... but I don't think it works very well for this purpose.

I am still looking for more ideas about how these history pages should look.... more brainstorming is required ;)

-- <span title="(latin) Farewell Caesar, they who are about to die salute you.">ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 12:53, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

I was just having fun with the template, i do not expect most history pages would fall into that mold at all, particularly since if old images are shown, they do not easily fit into this template. A template would be nice if it could easily incorporate a few images, and be variable enough for the change in information, simply for being more unified. Modify, remove or improve it as you like. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 13:17, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

I totally agree... and I hope you didn't think I was attacking you or anything. Re-reading what I wrote, it sounds kinda harsh, and that's not what I intended at all.

Maybe we can make a smaller template... more like a "true" infobox that contains some really basic information.... but I still see problems trying to make the pages fit.

I really don't know. If anybody has some more ideas, we can try a few of them out and see what works the best.

-- <span title="(latin) Stupid is as stupid does">Stultus est sicut stultus facit  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 13:21, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

it would be nice if we decided on a ruff format for history pages so that they all look similar making them easier to read and to compare &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 18:49, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

Yeah... that's what we're talking about. Any ideas?

So far we have Magic Longsword/History and Rose Shield/History, both of which are subject to change as needed.

-- <span title="(latin) Your fly is open">Braccae tuae aperiuntur  --  Whitelaces &dagger;  Talk &dagger; -- 05:25, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

well for now i think the long sword page is the way to go &iquest;  Dis&Aring;st&eacute;r M&oacute;nt&ecirc;iro &#164;  T&atilde;lk &#164; &iquest; 07:49, 13 June 2007 (PDT)