User talk:Daniel Letalis/Archive 1

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Hey, just wanted to pass you a few MediaWiki links: String functions (#sub, #len etc) and Parser functions (#if, #switch etc) in case you needed help with them. I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I think the new version of the template already does what you posted on Talk:Damage Modifiers for? Anyway, have fun testing and don't hesitate to ask if you need help. -- Sixorish 11:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Witch/Loot Statistics
Hey, did you create the Witch/Loot Statistics yourself, or used some website? It created a link to Cooky, and I'm wondering if you used my script to generate the stats. It sounds like something my script would do...

Temahk 09:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes I used your loot processor, usually when processing words like "cookies and cherries" in english you remove the "ies" and add "y" to the word, so I guess this you should add "cookie" as an exception.

Also would be nice if you share your code or create a private place where some people (like me) can contribute to improve it.

Thanks.

--Daniel Letalis 04:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Transcripts
Your bug fix seems to have messed things up somewhat. Nevermind it wasn't your bug fix. I don't know whats happened, look at the pages (yours and ours) see if you can fathom why it all decided to melt down. Disregard that, your bug fix update unfixes it. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile ''' 22:47, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I will do more tests and let you know because the way it is now, it displays incorrectly under certain circumstances.

--Daniel Letalis 23:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Bug in Loot Statistics Parser
Hey, can you take a look here? It looks very odd to me... ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 10:19, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I saw that happening on another page but thought was an isolated incident because that page didn't had the "name" parameter in the template, I'm sure it has something to do with the WYSIWYG editor enabled. I will add __NOWYSIWYG__ tag to all statistics pages that don't have it and if this problem happens again I will figure it out on javascript level.

--Daniel Letalis 05:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

JavaScript / plural issues
Seems your JavaScript has a problem with the plural of Bunch of Ripe Rice, see Killer Caiman/Loot Statistics. Would you suggest redirects, or a hardcoded fix? -- Sixorish 09:11, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also: Tomato (your script drops s from tomatoes I guess) found here: Bandit/Loot Statistics. -- Sixorish 09:22, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will manually fix the pages for now and add those to the list of exceptions and add them when the script is updated for the new namespace.--Daniel Letalis 18:11, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Can you add another exception for Very Noble-looking Watch (see Loot:Crazed Beggar). The l must be uppercase (I think this is the only l behind a dash so I can almost imagine how to program this). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It is supposed to be already fixed with the ucwords function you implemented the other day, maybe you need to empty ur cache? it is working here

Average gold: 0

--Daniel Letalis 02:53, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, nvm. Those stats were added with the parser before that function ucwords was implemented. It should work now indeed :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 10:26, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Admin
Here you go, congratulations :) ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 11:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) Beejay 11:36, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot guys, I will not disappoint you and this wiki :) --Daniel Letalis 02:54, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Your loot stuff
Had a peak at what you've been doing on your wiki. What have you been doing? Did you get any closer to producing chances of a creature dropping an item on an item's page based on loot data we've got? I see you've got the loot basic form but in a way that I cannot follow, wanna enlighten me on how you've done it? I'm really interested. Also the lootend class doesn't do anything right? '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile '''

What I do is filter/crop html data, I use "lootend" to crop but probably I could use. I have one doubt I'm sure it is related to the wiki processor limits (that can be seen on page source code) I can't find info with google or mediawiki manual: Category: Pages containing omitted template arguments, what is that?

NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 11133/1000000 Post-expand include size: 325519/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 2094628/2097152 bytes

I will try to improve that later, the same method could be applied to the current tibia.wikia loot template without the Min-Max data but I think min-max data is important and I don't think that rarity would have to be calculated by total/kills but times/kills.

Later I will make more tests

--Daniel Letalis 22:41, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * " This category is populated automatically by the MediaWiki software. It lists articles that exceed the Template limits, due to having arguments to templates which are too large. These pages should be edited to reduce the number of expensive calls." this; seems like you've tried to do too much with the template, Template:Loot2/Short doesn't look too healthy for arguments and functions. Maybe decreasing the max number of drops from 40 to 20? I'd also decrease your number of fake items, however if the code is that intensive on the server it may not be the best method. I dunno, all I know is that wikia doesn't want lots of operations. Also that page says that if any of those numbers you've quoted are near their maximum then the page is reaching, or has reached, it's limit. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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 * "There is a limit of 500 to the expensive parser function count, i.e." and you've got 989 counts of explode and 180 if's '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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 * It just wasn't best pleased with your 40 instances of loot dropped (not likely to happen in the wiki anyway) '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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"explode" and "if" are not expensive, only "ifexists" or something like that and others that are not functions, I think it has something to do with the many explodes anyway, I believe every time is used, it is sum to "Template argument size", I already tried other ways but "Post-expand include size" was too big, now "Template argument size" may be too big, I will keep doing tests when I finish my hunt. --Daniel Letalis 00:50, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Examples with Loot and Loot2 templates: w:c:dantest:User:Daniel_Letalis/test

I made improvements over resources use, only limitation that come to my mind for now is that we can't sort items in case they are not sorted in the Loot Statistics page but the loot parser always sort them so I think this is not a problem.

I tested rareness with text instead of % and it seems to use almost the same resources, so I guess this template is complete for now.

If we use %s over 100(total amount/kills) for rarity we could get accurate values but text Rareness would be impossible to define.

--Daniel Letalis 06:50, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think if for the short stats that if we're using amounts of gold (such as 1-139 say) the percentage should be based on times rather than total. I know I said total / kills, but looking at the stats it'd make more sense to the user if the percentage were less than 100 for gold and was based on the likelihood of the monster dropping at least 1. I see you've already done that for loot2, nevermind then. Good job. Don't mean to pester you but will you update the loot parser to handle amounts and times and such? Thanks so much '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

''' 20:52, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm updating the parser but will take a little bit more time than expected, I made too many changes to the "Loot1" parser since I had both parsers ready and I want all those changes and fixes included in the new "Loot2" parser.

--Daniel Letalis 02:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

w:c:dantest:User:Daniel_Letalis/Test

I think template may need some adjustments it makes more logic to me say 2-100 gp than 0-100 gp what do you think? Items with same Rareness are sorted by the % instead of alphabet, that could be changed on the parser sorting but I think it is ok they are sorted by %. The data from "New template" was created with some logs I had and the new parser, the data marked as "Current" it's current data of tibia.wikia

Parser is ready too, I want to keep testing it just to check it doesn't have any strange error/bug. And you can test it also if you have any log.

w:c:dantest:Loot Statistics

--Daniel Letalis 10:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with the 2-100 gp thing, our percentages are based on the chance of any gold dropping now, so the absolute minimum is not 0. All the templates look really good. Looks like the loot will integrate seamlessly, be a great day when we don't have to maintain huge loot lists for commonly hunted creatures. Hate to pester, but did you have any more ideas on how to make item pages have loot percentage drops from creatures? Minor note - your tibia ml links include Loot Statistics: in the url. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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The "Loot Statistics:" on tibiaml link should be because I don't have namespace "Loot Statistics" on dantest, also one of the "Short" templates needs removed 2 ":"s because of the same reason.

I don't understand what you mean with "item pages have loot percentage drops from creatures". --Daniel Letalis 21:17, May 24, 2010 (UTC) -- First I want to note that we had a similar discussion before, but having this discussion again only indicates there is a real need for a new loot template with more information. So I agree we should give a shot to that, so let's start making a Template:Loot2 to test what's possible and play around to see what we really want.

''I always imagined that if we had a lot of loot statistics on the item page it would show the creatures it's dropped by with percentages and ordered. For example on Fire Sword it would say:

Dropped by: Hellfire Fighter (4.15%), Hero (1.21%), Dragon Lord (0.22%).''

I'm not sure if that's possible to do automatically and even if it is, when there are not enough stats for a certain creature it would give a wrong idea. ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 07:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC) - Bennie described it much better than I can. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile '''

I read that on Bennie talk just forgot, one way should be that we only maintain the list of monsters and the % are generated by a template. About the few kills, I think we can use just omit the % if the kills aren't enough. I will make tests probably later but it seems very difficult to achieve or maybe impossible, my last attempt to make numbers sort with templates didn't work.

--Daniel Letalis 21:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

w:c:dantest:User:Daniel_Letalis/Test2

I tested with gold coins, the resource use may be a little bit high and I don't have more ideas to optimize the templates. The sorting has to be done with JS. --Daniel Letalis 10:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The main contenders for high resource use are meat ham and gold, we'll just leave those be. We'll just have to add a manual input variable that overrides the automated loot system. We'll need to do it on both creature and item pages as there will be exceptional pages that need to be handled with care. '''Craggles Random::Chat::Contributions::Tibicam Profile

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Both templates are designed to only show % if the amount of kills on statistics is over some number we have to decide yet.

For the items template, I would say it defaults to show % with template and if the parameter droppedbynoauto is specified it just displays the "normal" data. That way we only would require a small change on Template:Infobox Item and add the parameter to items like ham, gold coin and meat.

For the monsters template I think we wouldn't have to change most monster pages, just a small modification on Template:Infobox Creature and pass the loot parameter there to the alt parameter in Loot2/Short. We may need a parameter to omit template data too, maybe lootnoauto. Because even when having a lot of loot information, some items may be missing like moon backpack in Wisp.

Assuming we don't have enough kills for Monk, how should be displayed the "Dropped By" in Lamp

A: Orc Berserker (0.35%), Monk (?)

B: Orc Berserker (0.35%), Monk

C: Orc Berserker (0.35%), Monk (?%)

As all the new data will come from the new parser I want to test it a little bit more, after adding the new parser we will still have time to implement the templates because they won't be used until we have a lot of loot statistics data.

--Daniel Letalis 13:31, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say B as the ? mark may make the user think they need to add some data somehow, and if they don't understand how the auto loot system works they could either break a page or get annoyed. Either case is bad for us. Is it safe to start moving some of your templates over?  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  Talk ∙ Contribs

They can be moved but:
 * Some instances of {{:Loot_Statistics: need to be changed to {{Loot_Statistics:
 * I will remove the (?) from DroppedBy and the javascript may need changes(not sure)
 * About Loot2 template, I think we didn't finished discussing what columns will be used for it and I used different columns than you, changing/improving columns would require modifications on all templates but it's easy, just change of some fixed numbers.

I will come back later maybe around 10 hours. --Daniel Letalis 13:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking, wouldn't be better to implement all together with the summer update? Loot will probably change so I think we better leave statistics that people is uploading now in the "Loot" template and use Loot2 for the new version, what do you think? --Daniel Letalis 06:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Solid idea, no objections.  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  Talk ∙ Contribs

Maps
Hey Dani,

I thought about it, and well, I'm not sure how could I help either, but I can if you need any help with anything.

The question about hosting the map here, is: how practical, how big will it be and if wiki is willing to host it. If it's practical and wiki is willing to post it here, then it has to be implemented and all links to all references on the map will need to be changed (my guess is that this will need to happen anyway with the new one from tibianews). Again, we can work together on interface, design and discuss details, if you are doing all the programming, I could help with all the rest, like, relinking all things.

Let me know your ideas,

Lysie 20:50, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Images could be used in gif format directly from wiki like this: or.

Tibia has 15 floors so loading all images would be too much load, loading them by floor when they are needed like Outfiter does with outfits seems better to me.

The maps that are not ground floor would be gotten from players map, for the beginning we could use my map files that have a lot of areas explored, then users can improve images or upload .map files so me or other person with map viewer improves the images.

So far this is what I have thought:
 * The map would be dragable and zoomable, all with javascript
 * The interface would have:
 * Buttons to change floor and zoom
 * Button to get template to insert current map view on wiki with the minimap template
 * Button to get link to the direct map link page (from current map view)
 * Another page that is used for direct map links, map get processed similar to template but in javascript to be able to use coordinates in the link: i.e. tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimap?x=125.2&y=120.7&z=7

This will require html and javascript in the same way loot parser and outfiter are implemented (probably messy) but I think it will work.

I'm really bad with interfaces so if you want to start designing something with css/images u can do it. I think a map viewable area of 512x384 pixels would be good but any size is ok as long as it is practical and fits on wikia.

I have a small piece of code that works on all browsers for drag and drop elements in valid (x)html documents, I also got a function that keeps map centered on zoom on swishmax, probably it's easy to adapt it to javascript.

I guess what is left now it's start working on it, you can try to do something in regular html/js if you have time and want to. I will work on this in some days anyway.

We need to test a lot the system before implement it but I hope it is good for everyone in the future. --Daniel Letalis 05:45, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Dani, Ok, so we're gonna work it. I will be a bit busy for the next few days, but will have a loot at it as much as my time allows me to. Any questions I will stopping by. Cheers, Lysie 20:20, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Heya Dani, sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Had a lot going on with university and work. Anyway, I'm looking into the map, but is there anywhere I can see the code for the outfiter to see how exactly you guys did it? Cheers

Lysie 12:42, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

No problem I've been absent too.

Before uploading to wiki I make tests locally with MOWES or simply html files, sometimes heavy modification is required to adapt it to wiki (like outfiter) but depends on how it is programmed.

Loot parser:
 * Files: Loot_Statistics, Loot_Statistics/Lootparserloot, MediaWiki:Common.js(some lines)
 * Works like this: MediaWiki:Common.js checks if the page name is Loot Statistics, if it is, it makes an ajax call that loads Loot_Statistics/Lootparserloot then run it, Loot_Statistics has some  s with ids that are used by the code.

Outfiter works in similar way but it loads the images from base64 encoded images stored on wiki pages because regular images are not stored on the same domain and cross domain ajax calls are blocked on most browsers. Files for outfiter: Outfiter, Outfiter/Code, MediaWiki:Common.js(some lines), Outfiter/Archdemon, Outfiter/Assassin, Outfiter/Barbarian, etc.

I think outfiter is very badly written, maybe loot parser too but loot parser is easier to read as far as I remember.

--Daniel Letalis 00:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Dani, haven't seen that you had replied up until now. Will be having a better look at them tomorrow. As you said the lootparser is much easier to read. At least it's all in one file. I'll have a look tomorrow during the day and let's hope we can start pulling that together. I'll try and come up with the look and the buttons and see if I can do any coding, so we can discuss what can I do (cause I'm not all that great in programming -> begginer!!!) Have a good weekend,

Lysie 20:56, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I started to work on the js version, just to make some tests and see the limitations we will have. For now what I've seen is that we will make 4 different things for maps, 1 is the template to show maps with marks on the pages and it's already done but maybe can be improved w:c:dantest:Template:Minimap, second would be the template that generates the links that make popup maps as Bennie suggested(this one is very easy so np in doing it later when needed to test), the other 2 are very similar to each other, the main map page, similar to tibianews (that can also recive coordinates by link i.e. tibia.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimap?x=125.2&y=120.7&z=7) and the popup map that Bennie suggested and will appear on some pages like when clicking "here" on NPC pages.

I've been thinking about coordinate values for x and y, I think I was using decimals on them but maybe the best is to do it like this: x=125.200 that would mean x = (125*256)+200, the 125 would be the quadrant as shown here w:c:dantest:Template:Minimap and the 200 would be how many pixels inside that quadrant. I think is best to use 125.200 instead of big numbers (32200) so templates are more readable for users.

I will be working on the popup thing and the popup template but without map(map will use similar code to the main map page), then I will fix the template to use coordinates by pixels instead of decimals.

You can keep doing an interface and let me know your progress or if you have doubts with main map page. Don't think you have to do all the code for the main map page, just start it and do what you think you can do, even pieces of code for some specific functions would be ok. I say this because I know programming stuff like this is complicated sometimes and u said you are a beginner. --Daniel Letalis 22:23, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I've been working on this and now I have a draggable, cross browser compatible, zoomable, floor changeable, popup map that can have marks that can link to wiki articles. I will finish some details and work on the part that generate the template code. I hope I can implement it on tibiawiki next week. --Daniel Letalis 12:59, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Dani,

Where are the images for outfiter stored? I could use some of them, this way we don't have to upload them all over again and it can pull all from the same place. Working on HTML/CSS, but need to know about that to be able to continue. Cheers, Lysie 17:36, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

About images for outfiter: Outfiter/Archdemon, Outfiter/Assassin, Outfiter/Barbarian, etc., they are base64 encoded so you probably need to create a php script that decodes them and transform the to file or use the javascript function that decodes them on Outfiter/Code, also those images are in no color format+mask, you still need to apply the mask and multiply filter to add color to them, dunno why you would want to use them but if I find your project interesting I may help. --Daniel Letalis 22:34, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I use Tibia Map Viewer and it seems you did/do. In the Ice Islands TMV displays the color white (from snow in game) as transparent. I have looked over the various files and am not certain where it analyzes the colors and consequently blanks out white. So i was wondering if you had come across it, perhaps in designing Mapper. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 04:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I made a small change to TMV and then recompiled it so it displays correctly that color

Changed 2 times, 0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,           //D4 TO 0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0, 255,255,255,0,           //D4

in Mapper.cpp TMV 3.2 source code (zip file here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tmviewer/files/)

I can upload the files or the executable in case you need them, just let me know. --Daniel Letalis 05:01, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Loot Parser upgrade
Hey Daniel,

I expect the summer update within a week, maybe already tomorrow. Do you have the new version of the loot parser already done? If so, could you update the lootparser asap after the summer update. I think there are already people uploading loot stats from test server, this should be avoided (because the loot rates are still altered on the TS daily). ^^ Bennie (talk ~ fellows) ^^ 06:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've been so busy lately but the new parser is ready, I was thinking about "merging" both parsers so depending on the version the player chooses the correct template is used. I will have time this weekend so I will work on that. I don't think update is tomorrow because usually they announce some days earlier but I will check site now and then and work on it if needed. --Daniel Letalis 00:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Outfiter
Nice work with the outfiter, but i wonder if the Nightmare Knights outfit will never be there? Sez The Withe 12:11, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, no one ever noticed and told me about it, I will add it in some minutes, it's easier with outfits that are in the 8.57 file -- Daniel Letalis 20:39, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wrath of the Emperor Quest
Hey Daniel, I'd love to upload some pictures about the sqms that should be walked on the mission 1 of this quest.

But when i tried i received this message, You cannot upload images on this wiki.

Dake2ms 20:04, July 1, 2010 (UTC)Daniel too!

I think 3 days have to pass before you can upload images, if you want, you can upload them to tinypic and let me know the links here I will upload them and add them to the article. Thanks. --Daniel Letalis 20:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Possible loot statistics issue
When you have time, would you please take a look at User_talk:Beejay. It appears as though User:Pow Plastique may be having some problems with uploading loot statistics. Thank you! :) Beejay 12:02, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I think I figure it out, I think my problem is I was uploading the information too fast, yesterday I had no problems at all, I have uploaded like 10 statistics in a row without any problems doing something like that, press upload, wait it finish, count 3 mississippi and do it again @@ maybe I'm crazy but it works like a charm... Anyway, my machine info is: Win XP SP 3 up to date, Firefox 3.6.6, Flash Player version 10.1.53.64, firewall and antivirus kaspersky 2010 up to date, network firewall is iptables running on a backtrack bt 4 final, basic config just some sites blocked that I don't want my family have access (porn sites, gambling etc...) my rig is Q6600 @ 3ghz, 1x4gb ddr2 1066, 3x500gb hdd.... Well I think that is it, any more complex information you want let me know or any log of any program, I'm gonna hunt in some hours and I will upload more statistics, I'm gonna test if my theory that I was doing it too fast is right... (anyway, it is the first time I'm answering something here, not sure if I'm doing it right ;D) Pow Plastique 21:38, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Separation line, signature and great detail on response, I guess u did good.

I made the tests on the same software configuration as you but with no software firewall and my Internet is not very responsive, had no problems, so probably wait a bit would be enough and the problem can be either firewall restriction or wikia bug/restriction.

Let me know if you find problems again. --Daniel Letalis 23:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

About the mapper...
Hey ya, I see that you delevoped a mapper, so I'm thinking about update some pages and change the old tibiacity map link (that isn't working anymore) for this new one... So, I'm asking if it's good to use this new map already or?

Btw, pretty nice job you did with it! ;D Att, Pow Plastique 13:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I never saw tibiacity map, I'm currently processing a list of tibianews map links so I come out with something that include all links on tibiawiki and translate them so we can copy and paste and would be something like this (ignore search button, users would open the link in a new window, replace red text for green text):

Edit Carlin

Of course the edits would have to be checked according to the context but having the coordinates translated saves a lot of work.

I will work on that generated list as soon as I have time, if you really meant tibiacity map, please give me an example link so I can create a list of changes with those links too.

--Daniel Letalis 14:48, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Automap files
Hello! I'm a great explorer and i have some maps more explored, maybe you can use it too. &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 13:36, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

You can just upload them to megaupload, rapidshare, etc, give me the link and I can merge them, or let me know if u want the mapper viewer in source code or executable form. --Daniel Letalis 05:39, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, i uploaded to rapid~, the link: http://rapidshare.com/files/410387552/Automap.rar

I dont know if its allowed to paste such links here, if isnt allowed please delete :P

I have all main continent, darama, full explorer on the normal floor, i walked for all the borders using diagonal walking (you explore a bit more). Also i have all forbidden islands on all floors, all beregar (all the tunnel), all kazordoon tunnels (i think so), the ice islands, svagrond, the maps of undergroond OF are more updated. I hope it can help you

One last thing: Amazing job with the mapper! Very thanks! &raquo; Sez ~ Talk &laquo; 15:17, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

I updated the main floor only for now, I had to manually fix the map because it has some trash bytes (I've had the same problem with my own maps on the past but dunno the reason, probably old tibia client bug). I will modify map viewer code so this trash is not shown and then upload the rest of the floors. Thanks for sharing your maps :) --Daniel Letalis 02:54, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have a lot of thorough maps of lower level places, but i would rather wait for Sez' to be updated first then see what is needed. No need to rush on my part since i am busy myself, i just want you to know they are available when you are ready with his, etc. --DM ><((°> Contribs <°))>< talk to me 04:24, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

@Clickable mapper
You are a fucking god Daniel  Craggles  ಠ_ಠ  Talk ∙ <font color="#6e86ff">Contribs  11:28, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

lol, it took me much time to code the mapper but it is amazing that all the code is compatible with internet explorer 6, I wish I started programming in JS with DOM manipulation 8 years ago. <3 JS --Daniel Letalis 02:54, August 5, 2010 (UTC)